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by **Yarrow** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:22 pm

indeed, bp! you have seen the almight power of the ambi, and are bless-ed.

just kidding. good point druid.

by **ambi** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:22 pm

you're a bigger person than a lot of the posters here, bp. congratulations to you.

by **birthday pony** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:36 pm

Ambi, you've got it down. Congratulations.

by **ambi** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:57 pm

if you ask a democrat or a republican - even a USliberal democrat - this question: "do you think it is ok to kill people in another country in order to preserve the american way of life?" they will say yes. oh sure, they will equivocate with stuff like "it's hard" or "if you have to," but in the end, the "american way of life" is worth killing lots and lots of innocent people over.

luckily the american way of life is coming to an end right before our eyes. unfortunately, that also means that USamericans are about to go on an unprecedented killing spree. also, sadly, since the freedoms USamericans enjoy are based on their extreme wealth, and since that wealth is being evaporated as we speak, the last days of anything even approaching "freedom" are here.

obama is a set up. when he sends troops into US cities or orders bombs dropped on innocents abroad, anyone opposing him will be labelled a racist.

and democrats will stand up and applaud. i mean, afterall, it's not lke he's a republican or anything! sheesh!

by **Francois Tremblay** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:53 pm

To me the difference is that Republicans are stupid sheep, and Democrats are slightly smarter sheep. Unfortunately, the latter means they are able to devise better ways to bamboozle people.

by **birthday pony** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:20 pm

and apparently they're the only ones.

by **ambi** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:42 pm

ambi wrote:democrats are not ignorant, they are willfully ignorant.

by **birthday pony** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:17 pm

ambi wrote:
i hear this alot, especially from USamericans. it seems to make them feel better.

it would be far more accurate to say that humans have been tricked into killing each other by the 20% of society that is psychopathic.

but why do they have to be tricked? because they have human values - basic shit like "dont kill innocents" and "more freedom is a good thing" and "cruelty is wrong."

most people, while imperfect, practice human values most of the time. when they don't, they still aspire to, in general.

and some people are hell bent on living beneath human values.

like members of the democratic party of the USA, and the people who vote for them.

I'm barely defending murder or anything like it. I fail to see how others were simply tricked while Democrats and their supporters are somehow more conscious of their actions than others. I wouldn't give them that much credit.

by **ambi** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:40 pm

Humans have murdered each other for all history.

i hear this alot, especially from USamericans. it seems to make them feel better.

it would be far more accurate to say that humans have been tricked into killing each other by the 20% of society that is psychopathic.

but why do they have to be tricked? because they have human values - basic shit like "dont kill innocents" and "more freedom is a good thing" and "cruelty is wrong."

most people, while imperfect, practice human values most of the time. when they don't, they still aspire to, in general.

and some people are hell bent on living beneath human values.

like members of the democratic party of the USA, and the people who vote for them.

by **birthday pony** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:19 pm

I'll concede everything, until here.

ambi wrote:and people wanna give me shit for referring to them as subhuman scum. amazing.

Humans have murdered each other for all history. In order to be subhuman I'd imagine you'd have to somehow break the mold. I wouldn't give Democrats that much credit.

by **ambi** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:42 am

Francois Tremblay wrote:Don't the Fabians control British politics?

far more than that, starting with the minds of most political academics.

the fabian window, designed by george bernard shaw. the intellectuals of the fabian society "mould [the world] nearer the heart's desire," following the imperative "pray devoutly [and] hammer stoutly" while the masses worship the books of authoritarian socialism. dancing on top of the globe is a wolf in sheep's clothing, holding a fabian society flag.

by **Francois Tremblay** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:48 pm

Don't the Fabians control British politics?

by **ambi** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:23 am

Zazaban wrote:But the identity of the person saying it does not add to or detract from the value of the ideas being presented.

sometimes yes, and sometimes no.

if you are riding the bus and the guy next to you happens to be a neocon says "gosh, it sure is a nice sunny day" that's one thing.

but if he says "don't you think liberty and freedom should be spread throughout the world" it gets a little trickier, doesn't it?

fabian socialists are total scum. when they say something political, it is measured to appeal to those sentiments which street-level socialists love. but the purpose of the words is to fool you, to get you to go with the fabian program - which is naked authoritarianism.

i'm sure we could sift through the speeches of hitler and find a passage or two that would appeal to all of us. i'm also sure that if someone posted such a quote, it would be pointed out fairly quickly that hitler wasn't a good guy, and that his motives for saying such words are suspect. (and fabians are far worse than nazis.)

by **ambi** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:13 am

birthday pony wrote:Likewise if someone says "I'm a Democrat" though we might disagree with their beliefs, it's silly to jump to the conclusion that they supported bombings by Clinton and other such things. You'd find that a lot of Democrats don't even know about those.

that's just american exceptionalism.

democrats do know about the bombings. go back and look at the news form the mid 90s - USliberals were falling over themselves in their rush to support the radioactive attack on yugoslavia. to this day, you will find that most democrats still support clinton's actions there.

democrats don't watch 60 minutes? it's the biggest USliberal tv news magazine in the country. its producer openly claims that he single-handedly saved the clinton campaign in 1992. democrats didn't see this video?

democrats are not ignorant, they are willfully ignorant.

the idea that they are not responsible for their actions is disgusting.

birthdaypony, your analogy is false. you (an anarchist-socialist), are opposed to stalin (an authoritarian communist), therefore you wouldn't have voted for stalin, wouldn't have worked for stalin, wouldn't have helped stalin.

but democrats vote for democrats. democrats help democrats. and then they have the chutzpah to say "oh, sorry, we didn't know about all that bad stuff!"

and people wanna give me shit for referring to them as subhuman scum. amazing.

by **Zazaban** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:31 pm

Guest wrote:
Maithuna69 wrote:I'd go along with that to an extent but I tend to seperate ideas frmo the people who put them forward, to avoid slipping into ad hominem nonsense.

sometimes "who said it" matters.

for example, bush recently chastised russia for attacking another nation.

now, it's true that nations shouldnt attack nations, but when bush says it, most of the world laughs because of a little thing called iraq - that, and the fact that georgia was the aggressor along with US/israel...

But the identity of the person saying it does not add to or detract from the value of the ideas being presented.

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