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About worker pay. Real wages have been stagnant and falling for 30 years. Yet worker productivity has skyrocketed. The difference has gone into the ballooning capitalist profits. Capitalism is more exploitative now than it was when Engels wrote about the hideous conditions of Manchester. It just appears less so because it's far less brutal, at least in developed countries. That, and also because capitalists have devised their most sinister trick yet: loan their superprofits to the workers, to allow them to enjoy the standard of living they would have if their wages had kept pace with their productivity. The capitalists have learned to assfuck the workers from a whole new angle. Workers are having their intestines shredded by 101 angry cocks instead of just 100. But this is the fattest, longest, angriest cock of them all, with rough sandpaper skin and barbed hooks on the end. Because when the capitalists loaned too aggressively, and the workers suffered a prolapse, they pulled out all those cocks and instead tied the worker down with his ass pointing skyward and dropped a giant sequoia tree into his poor, tired, overworked sphincter from a Lear jet at 50,000 feet. The worker has no more ass to give. It's tapped.

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Basicly theres more then enough to go around, its just that its given to keep useless people alive. What needs to happen is the old switcharoo. Middle class, and people who live off ripping other people off need to be taxed and that money given back to workers by the government.

After that, and some other reforms. Societys pretty much fixed and we can all just be happy. The workers are working, thats the most important part! Who cares about anything else. Getting the workers to work is a big enough acheivement in my eyes. So lets keep them working by paying them well.

Trust me when i say this: the fact that the workers work is amazeing and its societys primary goal. Once everyones doing a nice amount of work then we can think about other stuff. But if the workers are working thats 99% of the battle complete. Who cares about anything else?

As long as people are doing work and getting the correct payment for it, thats what we want.

Quite fascinating about the A-note, actually. "I did not know that. That is some weird, wild, wacky stuff." ~Johnny Carson

I think if we're going to do the state thing, why pull at the frayed edges? Why not reply 1917 but with the critiques of e.g. Luxemburg? A properly democratic Marxist state is the only kind I could tolerate I think. Anything else will just be capitalism with frills and lace and perfume.

About worker pay. Real wages have been stagnant and falling for 30 years. Yet worker productivity has skyrocketed. The difference has gone into the ballooning capitalist profits. Capitalism is more exploitative now than it was when Engels wrote about the hideous conditions of Manchester. It just appears less so because it's far less brutal, at least in developed countries. That, and also because capitalists have devised their most sinister trick yet: loan their superprofits to the workers, to allow them to enjoy the standard of living they would have if their wages had kept pace with their productivity. The capitalists have learned to assfuck the workers from a whole new angle. Workers are having their intestines shredded by 101 angry cocks instead of just 100. But this is the fattest, longest, angriest cock of them all, with rough sandpaper skin and barbed hooks on the end. Because when the capitalists loaned too aggressively, and the workers suffered a prolapse, they pulled out all those cocks and instead tied the worker down with his ass pointing skyward and dropped a giant sequoia tree into his poor, tired, overworked sphincter from a Lear jet at 50,000 feet. The worker has no more ass to give. It's tapped.

So yes, the state should be used to punish capitalism harshly for the brutal rape of the humble worker, who only wanted to live a lifestyle he was entitled to by his incredibly generous rate of production. He did all he could think of: he charged it. I think he should get it for real this time, interest-free. Which means taking it back from the rapist who so "generously" loaned him what was rightfully his.

Well i'm talking about getting a reformed social democracy here so workers can get paid more.

No, no, I´ve penis, of course. It´s that I only tryed to point out how insignificant is the man and his questions for estetics or history but otherwise the Being puts his conditions sine quanon to man and from microphysics to historical events there is a go and return trip trying to give coherence to the ¿What´s the live? question.

Hi varia, i dont quite understand what you are getting at. Are you just trying to be random and funny? If so, ok then good.

You some crazy bitch? are you a girl?

Aswell another idea i have is that the government can fund failing businesses like the music industry. This way we can still get expensive studios pumping out good albums for us to listen to. But ofcourse i want to cut back most of this kind of spending in order to give workers the pay checks they deserve.

Hi, IK, it has been seen from historical wind instruments like oboe (the oboe is most difficult to sintonize and is the first to be sintonized in the orchestra) that the natural A has fall down since XVIII century from 645 Hz. to be now in 640 Hz. aprox.

There are those people who actually do the true work though. That makes everything we enjoy possible. If these people could get the payment they deserve thats 90% of the revolution complete to me.

If you make a big conbritution to this society to keep it running, then you should have yourself a really nice house and car.

Meanwhile all the pen pushers and other less vital workers can get their big pay checks taxed from them without anything in return.

I'll call it vital workers payment. A proper redistribution of wealth by the government. We need to get this into Legisation, i think its the only thing that will stop society from collaspeing.

This is a true problem. But think transcendentally about the whole workers condition. I´ve been teacher, researcher or orange collector, as me anyone can be needed to work in almost all kind of possible works from prostitute to soldier or Giant.

About the estetics, the most heard here is the american -Spain-, fast drums and deep voices of the evolution of trash metal.

Ok, so there are the workers, who do the work. And their are business owners who organise the work and distribute the produce of the work via percentages of money.

The government taxes everyone in order to redistribute the wealth again as they see fit. What i want to see is governments giveing this wealth back to the true workers thus giveing workers the reward for their work they really deserve. All you have to do is take money away from the middle class, all these useless people business owners give money to because they are their friends of their friends. Also you can take it away from all the other things and people the government is wasteing their money on. It could be so so easy to give workers NICE BIG PAY CHECKS! thats called justice.

The world will be forced to do this soon. Because workers will need to extra insentive to keep working.

As far as dealing with the portion of society which does not desire to work and turns to crime. I would do what my country does now, keeps them out of trouble with the dole, and put any ones that commit crime into prisons. Its unfortunate money has to be wasted on these people. But i guess they are alive too, and i guess their lives are worth something. Too bad they are parasites.

Aswell another idea i have is that the government can fund failing businesses like the music industry. This way we can still get expensive studios pumping out good albums for us to listen to. But ofcourse i want to cut back most of this kind of spending in order to give workers the pay checks they deserve.