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by **Garnier** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:42 am

The 1968 may-days? A revolution?
'68 was a kindergarten compared with Mkahnovshtina or Spain or Mexico...

by **Francois Tremblay** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:43 pm

Yea, that 68 revolution was just a bunch of kids, right? Not "real anarchists."

"Real anarchists"... they just kill everyone who opposes them, I guess. Is that how it works?

by **Zazaban** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:25 pm

Crustanarchy wrote:They probably know as much about anarchism. I have trouble with the phrase "a better way" when we haven't even made anarchism work on a realistic scale in our own communities.

What we should be talking about with fellow anarchists is ways to fight the State effectively. As far as I am concerned we haven't even done that in the West.

I don't recall 'the east' doing any better than 'the west'. Which is a dichotomy I don't care for, anyhow.

Also, the anarchist cookbook has nothing to do with anarchism other than the name. It was written written by chaos loving nihilists, not anarchists, and the recipes inside often don't work.

The general message I'm getting here is that you believe that 'westerners' are incapable of being real anarchists.

by **Garnier** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:06 am

Guest wrote:
in bloom wrote:What happened, did you read the 'Anarchists' Cookbook one too many times while you were using your homemade LSD? Or do you just know very little about real anarchy, anarchy (to borrow from Ward) as a theory of organisation? Anarchy does not=blow shit up

thank you for your wisdom and knowledge o enlightened one. did it ever occour to you that in iran access to anarchist literature might be a little hard to come by? did it ever occour to you that in iran a copies of the anarchist cookbook might be a little scarce? did it ever occour to you that even taking a general intrest in anarchism in iran could be extremely dangerous?

i though this site was about building bridges and putting to pasture these very 'misconceptions'...

Yes, i thought so too. I thought it's a place where one can exchange opinions and experiences, but only if you are from US/UK/Canada/Australia/NZ you are taken seriosly.

You will be dissapointed, though...
This forum is a 'western' one to the core...

I don't think they give a shit anyway...
The obese will never understand the hungry one. That's how it goes.

It never occured to them about real-life dangers and the terror of even mentioning anarchy & anarchism in some countries.And that conditions of life are absolutely different than their countries. I've lived through the hell of yugoslav civil war. As a child in those days some things stuck in my mind, some of which were - never trust the state, never believe the politicians, look for your own way out...

Western approach to anarchism is very different.
Anarchist cook-book? Propaganda by deed? They are too sophisticated for that sort of things...

by **Crustanarchy** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:15 pm

They probably know as much about anarchism. I have trouble with the phrase "a better way" when we haven't even made anarchism work on a realistic scale in our own communities.

What we should be talking about with fellow anarchists is ways to fight the State effectively. As far as I am concerned we haven't even done that in the West.

by **Zazaban** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:41 pm

I'm not allowed to act like I know anything about anarchism because non-anarchists on the same continent as me are oppressive. Gotcha.

by **Crustanarchy** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:59 pm

Seriously. :lol:

by **Guest** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:27 pm

funny thread. people living in the US/UK who ask "what could possibly be wrong with showing people a better way?" lol. maybe you should fix up your own house before proclaiming yourself the experts on the "better way." lol.

by **leadhead** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:22 pm

Wow, serious necro thread haha!

A mod from the hills of norcal? I am a junction city native myself!

by **patrickhenry** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:08 pm

Depends on the context. If the Iranians invited you to come share it, cool. But just dropping in and preaching anarchism seems very missionaryesque.

It was said about Giuseppi Fanelli's trip to Spain he was a highly gifted propagandist sent there by Mikhail Bakunin. If Fanelli never went to Spain in 1868 the seeds of anarchy may have never been planted.

by **Francois Tremblay** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:47 pm

You are an anarchist. You have a friend

I see the contradiction here.

Just kidding. :lol:

by **Zazaban** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:49 pm

Look at it this way:

You are an anarchist. You have a friend who is unfamiliar with anarchism. You have two choices.

A. 'I should never tell my friend about anarchism. That would be imposing my beliefs on him, and that would be wrong. He is perfectly capable of coming to the same conclusions as me without me interfering.'

B. 'I should introduce him to the subject. He might take to it, and it's not like I'm being all high and mighty about it. I'm his friend.'

Now, which one makes more sense?

by **Guest** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:03 pm

there's no anarchists of note in iraq. their culture, and the culture of most non-whites, relies heavily on authoritarianism. the "rugged individual" didn't exactly come from baghdad lol.

by **|Y|** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:43 am

You cannot magically "stop the government/class/money from affecting places like Iran and practically everywhere else in the world, without showing them how they can live self-sufficiently without relying on globalization.

Iran needs to get rid of its cash crops, for instance. That isn't going to happen magically without them working toward those ends.

by **trueness** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:02 am

Guest wrote:the rest of the world has something to teach america, not the other way around...

imf/wb went to bangladesh to "help" them with new water wells, ignored advice of locals on where to drill, 80% of new wells are arsenic contaminated - providing water to millions of people that used to get arsenic-free water.

Ignoring people you are trying to help is never a good idea.

what you need to do if you want to help people in other countires is LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE. i.e. stop the govt/class/money from fucking with them.

Don't see what's wrong with people coming together to help each other out. Isn't voluntary mutual cooperation an important in anarchism? Anarchists came from around the world to help in the Spanish Revolution. The Sacco and Vanzetti Century was an entire military unit of American anarchists that served in the Durruti Column. Was that imperialist? Should those Americans have stayed home?

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