White Middle-Class Males

[Man]

Hi <br> <br>Din you said this: Some people think that it would be difficult - if not impossible - to deal with the present without understanding the past. <br> <br>I think they are wrong. The present just is. It's only when the past resurfaces through emotional movement in people that it has any effect on the present. <br> <br>Anyone note that there are now more millionaire women than men in UK? Just another statistic. There are areas of UK culture where women are more priveleged than men. It just depends on what aspect you are looking at.

[Morrigan]

The Anarchist movement finds a lot of young white males who are racked with guilt. They feel somehow responsible for the plight of minority groups and lesser cultures. <br> <br>Anarchism is thus a kind of cathartic experience for them.

[Guest]

it's a pretty marginalized movement. it's obvious you're very threatened. by kids...

[Guest]

it's a pretty marginalized movement. it's obvious you're very threatened. by kids...

[Aaron]

White guilt is bad. White ignorance is worse. <br> <br>There's no reason for whites to feel guilty about their position in society or for the atrocities of the past, but it is also their responsibility to learn about them and work to create a world where white privilege does not exist. <br> <br>Most anarchists I know feel this way. Again, you've demonstrated that you know little about anarchism or the anarchist movement.

[Morrigan]

I do not seek to end white priviledge. I seek to enhance it. I see little reason to share in the fruits of our labor. You don't see me going to Japan and announcing that I too should receive government assitance, be guaranteed a job, and enjoy the priviledges and perogatives of Japanese citizens. <br> <br>Economic inequality is a fact of life. Only a child thinks there can be fairness.

[Tom]

That's cus most children haven't had the chance to be fucked up yet.

[Henery]

Ha! Children... <br> <br>Morrigan, WHY are YOU... HERE? I'm confused. Really. Why? Why?

[Tom]

I've asked it twice. Morrigan doesn't like that question.

[Guest]

What in hell is the middle of class? Middle working class? Economic, right? Mean, mode or median? Class and male are the only two discreet catagories you mention, and since I am not dogmatist [let alone, of your presuasion] I can't really infer crap about your religious terms of "white" or "middle", you apologetic Eurotrash, since "white" is an ideology I don't understand or hold, nor is it biologicaly based. I guess "middle" can be a testable variable if you meant relative economic power. But you didn't specify. So, do you mean, minimally-compansated dominated class, or middle-income dominating class? Do you say there's a upper-working class and a lower-working class, and inversely, a upper ruling class, and a lower ruling class? Why is that significant enough to discuss? Since there is no grey area in the relationship of those 'doing' and those getting done, I don't understand the implications of your use of the word 'middle' in relation to class. Obviously, there isn't such a thing as a "middle"-income (however you would determine that...) ruling-class anarchist. The notion is as ridiculous as an anarcho-capitalist or a national-anarchist. And why do you feel there *is* a prejudice against "middle"-income working class anarchists and not upper-income working-class anarchists? That, also, is ridiculous. Are you stupid, a counter-operative or just repeating a buzz-word you never bothered to consider critically for the sake of consuming time from your boring life, and consequently, our lives also? Or, more concisely, what the fuck do you mean by middle?

[Guest]

neither class nor race have a basis in biology. <br> <br>they are social constructs, and because of that they are real. <br> <br>class exists. in most places, there are only 2 classes. in many places there exist vast middle classes. india's middle class for example is almost 300 million people (out of 1 billion total). it is very easy to tell who is middle class in india. <br> <br>in the US, the majority of people are middle class. perhaps this fuels your confusion. <br> <br>whiteness exists. like i said, it is a social construct, but it does exist. ignoring it doesnt make it go away. <br> <br>

[Guest]

[color=red]whiteness exists. like i said, it is a social construct, but it does exist. ignoring it doesnt make it go away.</font color=red> <br> <br>Incorrect. Exactly wrong. As a social construct ignoring "whiteness" or "race" does make it not exist except as history [pun obviously intended...]. And you still failed to define what a "middle" class is. An ill-explained *example* fails to address my "confusion" [as you put it] in any way. So, I'll reiterate...What in hell is the middle of class? Middle working class? Economic relativity, right? Mean, mode or median economic power? I guess "middle" can be a testable variable if you meant relative economic power of the only two classes in existance, but you didn't specify. So, do you mean, minimally-compansated dominated class, or middle-income dominating class? Do you say there's a upper-working class and a lower-working class, and inversely, a upper ruling class, and a lower ruling class? Why is that significant enough to discuss? Since there is no grey area in the relationship of those 'doing' and those getting done [class relations], I don't understand the implications of your use of the word 'middle' in relation to the two classes. Obviously, there isn't such a thing as a "middle"-income ruling-class anarchist. The notion is as ridiculous as an anarcho-capitalist or a national-anarchist any more than there could be a lower- or higher-income ruling-class anarchist. And, again, why do you feel there *is* a prejudice against "middle"-income working class anarchists and not upper-income working-class anarchists? That, also, is ridiculous. Are you stupid, lazy, a counter-operative or just repeating a buzz-word you never bothered to consider critically for the sake of consuming time from your boring life, and consequently, our lives also? And again, just to rereiterate, just what the fuck do you mean by "middle"?

[Guest]

you must be white. i would *love* to forget race exists. but if i woke up tomorrow with no memory of it, i promise you someone will remind me before the day is through. <br> <br>

[Aaron]

[color=green] As a social construct ignoring "whiteness" or "race" does make it not exist except as history</font color=green> <br> <br>Does ignoring class do the same thing? <br> <br>The point is, it's easy for privileged people to ignore what it is that makes them privileged. In our case, it is the color of our skin. I never have to think about being white unless I choose to do so. People who aren't white, however, are constantly reminded of the fact, because we live in a white society, where whites are privileged and non-whites are disdained.

[Man]

What about a white family living in a black neighbourhood? <br> <br>Racism works both ways. All ways. <br> <br>Racism goes when people stop imagining its existence into reality... ie when people stop creating fictional beliefs.