Ageism.

[Insecuritykiller]

Wait till it happens to you, then you will know how it feels.

We should always hope that older people know more then us, for their sake, and for your own when you get old too.

[Francois Tremblay]

Too bad that's not actually the case. Wisdom does not increase with age, and I've met a lot of young people who were a lot wiser than a lot of old people. In fact, the more you "mature" and submit to the system, the stupider you get.

[whatnotery]

This is my first post so I'm gonna attempt to make it count

Well idealistically i should hope that older people know more then younger people.

Ideally older people do know more then younger people but guess what! we don't live in an ideal world and older doesn't always mean smarter.

Otherwise the older person has to admit that he's an insuperior being. That really sucks!

That statement just proves ageism is a problem. Can you explain how being closer to death then someone else makes you "superior" to them?

It always sucks to see someone younger then you beat you. So show respect to people that are older then you, because it's the nice thing to do!

Hey imagine what it must be like for us youth always being beat by someone older then you(I assure you it does suck).So show respect to people that are younger then you, because it's the nice thing to do!

[ambi]

welcome to flag whatnot!

i know some hella smart youth. i have also (subjectively) noticed that younger adults (say, 18-24) are still struggling to put together an ethical model and this sometimes leads to slightly more ethical behavior than their older counterparts. as people get ruined by fucked-up schools and fucked-up work places, they become less ethical and harder to deal with. of course, these are merely generalities which i have noticed in my own life, not necessarily truisms.

younger people also seem to have a tendancy to be more open-minded, which of course makes it easier to talk about things like anarchism.

the wisdom and experience of older people shouldn't be discounted though, and in the current western climate, which is youth-obsessed (almost) to the point of child molestation, older people are being wasted, and that's fucked up.

[Maithuna69]

A pertinent quote - I hope! - from Bertrand Russell:

'The power of education in forming character and opinion is very
great and very generally recognized. The genuine beliefs, though not
usually the professed precepts, of parents and teachers are almost
unconsciously acquired by most children; and even if they depart fromthese beliefs in later life, something of them remains deeply
implanted, ready to emerge in a time of stress or crisis. Education
is, as a rule, the strongest force on the side of what exists and
against fundamental change: threatened institutions, while they are
still powerful, possess themselves of the educational machine, and
instil a respect for their own excellence into the malleable minds of
the young. Reformers retort by trying to oust their opponents from
their position of vantage. The children themselves are not considered
by either party; they are merely so much material, to be recruited
into one army or the other. If the children themselves were
considered, education would not aim at making them belong to this
party or that, but at enabling them to choose intelligently between
the parties; it would aim at making them able to think, not at making
them think what their teachers think. Education as a political weapon
could not exist if we respected the rights of children. If we
respected the rights of children, we should educate them so as to givethem the knowledge and the mental habits required for forming
independent opinions; but education as a political institution
endeavors to form habits and to circumscribe knowledge in such a wayas to make one set of opinions inevitable.


...The joy of mental adventure is far commoner in the young than in
grown men and women. Among children it is very common, and grows
naturally out of the period of make-believe and fancy. It is rare in
later life because everything is done to kill it during education. Men
fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth--more than ruin, more even than death. Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible; thought is merciless to privilege, established
institutions, and comfortable habits; thought is anarchic and lawless,
indifferent to authority, careless of the well-tried wisdom of the
ages. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. It sees
man, a feeble speck, surrounded by unfathomable depths of silence; yet it bears itself proudly, as unmoved as if it were lord of the
universe. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world,
and the chief glory of man.'

Nice, eh?

[ambi]

it is a nice quote, but you should keep in mind the POV of the person who said it. he was a fabian socialist who was interested in replacing the old institutions (aristocratic states, churches, etc.) with authoritarian socialism, gradually attained.

just as the fabian society symbol shows, he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[whatnotery]

welcome to flag whatnot!

thank you for the sentiment

the wisdom and experience of older people shouldn't be discounted though, and in the current western climate, which is youth-obsessed (almost) to the point of child molestation, older people are being wasted, and that's fucked up.

I must agree with you that the wisdom of older people should not be discounted (some of the wiser people I know happen to be older folks) but I was just a bit put off by seeing insecuritykillers post on ageism or lack there of on an anarchist forum(then I looked around a bit and realized quite a few are put off by I.K.'s posts ).

[Agnapostate]

Yes, it was rather unnecessary for him to say that. Ageism is a form of unjust hierarchy that any committed anarchist should oppose. On a related topic, how many have read this section of the FAQ regarding anarchist methods of childrearing: link

[Anarchia]

Feel free to ignore Insecuritykiller, most people do - he isn't an anarchist, but rather a nationalist, social-democrat troll who for some reason seems to like posting here.

[Francois Tremblay]

Our very own nazi? Huzzah! Can we keep him?

[ambi]

dang, that's an insult to nazis.

[Francois Tremblay]

Well, Anarchia said the guy is a nationalist social-democrat. That sounds like a nazi to me.

[Anarchia]

No, there's a big fucking difference between social-democrat nationalists and nazis. Learn it.

Fucking idiot.

(this post by someone who had the majority of his ancestors killed by actual nazis, and gets really angry when people misuse the term purposefully to try to score cheap political points)

[ambi]

i really don't think francois deserved that.

first of all, the nazis called themselves national socialists. so if someone comes around claiming nationalism and socialism, it really isn't a stretch to call them nazis.

second of all, more people have been murdered by social democrats than were murdered by the nazis; more people have been murdered by brits than by germans; and more people were murdered in the holomodor and the nakba than in the shoah.

third of all, the nazis were funded/created by the same wall street/bankster scum that rules today. do you get that upset if someone says "sounds like a wall street banker?" ... i'm guessing the answer is no.

one day my father woke up and found that his neighbors on both sides had been hacked to death. the women's breasts had been nailed to the doors of the houses. he and his family had to make their way to refugee camps past mountains of dead, rotting bodies, then traveling hundreds of miles in uncovered trains with nothing but a bit of water and the clothes on their backs.

what happened to your family is not only not unique, it's commonplace. these crimes are perpetrated not just by nazis but by all kinds of scumbags. get off your high horse.

[Francois Tremblay]

No, there's a big fucking difference between social-democrat nationalists and nazis. Learn it.

Fucking idiot.

(this post by someone who had the majority of his ancestors killed by actual nazis, and gets really angry when people misuse the term purposefully to try to score cheap political points)

... what IS the difference then? I thought that was what "nazi" meant. National socialist. No?