Porn

[|Y|]

Din,

He wasn't expressing his own opinion, you twit.

Um, who said it was his own opinion?

"Dominance in straight porn" is an opinion just as much as "gentleness in lesbian porn" and "violence in gay porn."

Please be smarter than this.

Then again, I encourage anyone to prove me otherwise, but I think that this would be impossible to prove objectively without doing some kind of survey or something.

I don't remember you being such an such an irritant before. What happened?

I've become more pessimistic. The "movement" is mostly a joke, and I think it deserves criticism, that it is lacking.

Also, I'm not being very irratable here, you should see me when I'm really being an ass.

[Tom]

The "movement" is mostly a joke, and I think it deserves criticism, that it is lacking.

I think the "movement" thinks similar of you.

[Din]

Din,

He wasn't expressing his own opinion, you twit.

Um, who said it was his own opinion?

"Dominance in straight porn" is an opinion just as much as "gentleness in lesbian porn" and "violence in gay porn."

Please be smarter than this.

And I would have criticized the "dominance in straight porn" if poop had not already done it. Why don't you try to be smarter?

I've become more pessimistic. The "movement" is mostly a joke, and I think it deserves criticism, that it is lacking.

Also, I'm not being very irratable here, you should see me when I'm really being an ass.

Many of us are pessimistic and yet, we don't come across as annoying jerks who have nothing better to do with our lives than to flood a forum with posts that seemingly contain nothing more than mere flamebait. I know I wouldn't waste my precious time on a forum in which I've been made to feel grossly unwelcomed.

[Post_industrial]

So I dont nessisarily think its wrong, but I often see it as a symptom of economic issues that lead people to find convienient ways to take care of themselves.

Idealy we would just have sex with whoever we have a mutual attraction with, or perhaps just with a single person for free. Idealy, non of us would have to work for anyone, and instead of extracting dollar bills from people, we would just be growing our food, building our homes, and working on community projects where we share all resources in common.

Once you take away the need to pay rent, buy food, and negate the desire for comercial glamorous clothing, jewelry, or cars, I would imagine that prostitution would no longer be nessisary or desireable for most people, and while you might still find hippies giving people a sex show for free, you would not see it being marketed as a profession or a commodity in the same way.

[Din]

Idealy we would just have sex with whoever we have a mutual attraction with, or perhaps just with a single person for free.

Why is that ideal? If people wish to have sex with others that they do not have a mutual attraction for or if they wish to have sex with multiple partners, let them.

Once you take away the need to pay rent, buy food, and negate the desire for comercial glamorous clothing, jewelry, or cars, I would imagine that prostitution would no longer be nessisary or desireable for most people, and while you might still find hippies giving people a sex show for free, you would not see it being marketed as a profession or a commodity in the same way.

Hippes are the only ones who would give sex shows for free? Please. Neither prostitution nor pornography would disappear in an anarchy. People will still use sex to trade for non-sexual commodities and people will still participate in and distribute sexual products, including photos, films and literature.

There are exhibitionists amongst us.

[|Y|]

Din, please spare the dishonesty here to save face, Poop made no mention of stereotyping, you were merely calling me out like it's the cool thing to do. It's okay, I forgive you.

But Tom, no, the stuff I'm saying isn't very controversial, once implemented the movement will go that way regardless. Even you. (You did, after all, say "what works is what I go for.")

Oh, and Din, I do not really feel unwelcome here. You guys have done a piss poor job of it if that's how you really feel.

[Poop]

Din, please spare the dishonesty here to save face, Poop made no mention of stereotyping, you were merely calling me out like it's the cool thing to do. It's okay, I forgive you.

After I responded to Tom, Tom said, "Who said its what i think anyway?" "Anyway, i'm posting threads like this as an attempt to foster some discussion other than "chuck is an authoritarian/kirsten's a maniac/Y's an idiot"." "i have lots of other questions, and ideas of my own, but ill wait and see what other people say." Tom wasn't stereotying anything. He was posting commonly held attitudes "in an attempt to foster some discussion" besides issues like how stupid you are. Good try, Tom, but |Y|'s stupidity was so overwhelming that discussions of it took over the whole thread.

Oh, and Din, I do not really feel unwelcome here. You guys have done a piss poor job of it if that's how you really feel.

If you don't feel unvelcome here, it's a result of your piss poor job of comprehending, not our piss poor job of expressing it. When Kevin asked when you would be gone to know how long the party would last, when Din said you were an irritant and told you to piss off, it was pretty obvious to me. I also think Tom has made his dislike of you known. Maybe I'm just a genius psychoanalyst and can decipher ambiguous messages like "Before you go, would you mind giving us a specific number of days? I just want to know how long the party will last" (Kevin), "Piss off" (Din), "make no mistake, Y is an idiot" (Tom), but I thought these individuals had made it pretty clear they don't like you. Maybe it was unfair of me to assume that you would have the same gift for reading people's minds that I do, but I thought it was pretty clear that several people here do not want you.

[Post_industrial]

Idealy we would just have sex with whoever we have a mutual attraction with, or perhaps just with a single person for free.

Why is that ideal? If people wish to have sex with others that they do not have a mutual attraction for or if they wish to have sex with multiple partners, let them.

Once you take away the need to pay rent, buy food, and negate the desire for comercial glamorous clothing, jewelry, or cars, I would imagine that prostitution would no longer be nessisary or desireable for most people, and while you might still find hippies giving people a sex show for free, you would not see it being marketed as a profession or a commodity in the same way.

Hippes are the only ones who would give sex shows for free? Please. Neither prostitution nor pornography would disappear in an anarchy. People will still use sex to trade for non-sexual commodities and people will still participate in and distribute sexual products, including photos, films and literature.

There are exhibitionists amongst us.

Now your just nitpicking.

Of course what your saying is true.

[Zazaban]

Porn is fun and vastly entertaining, and I would lament an anarchist society without it. Not that it's humanly possible to prevent its production.

[kikodawgz]

If we lived in an anarchist society where we didnt have to worry about paying rent, and we could study knowledge that is preserved by our communities free of charge, I wonder if we would have the same number of women volonteering to have sex with men they are not attracted to for barter or as a form of community service.

Is there a difference between taking a photograph of a naked person (consentually) and the porn industry taking the same photos (consentually)?

Yes. There is. The former is hot and masturbateable; the latter is not, and...not.