Why do you all waste time protesting against speciesism?

[Mega Man]

I don't mean to sound like a troll, but why do you claim yourselves to be anarchists, yet insist on pushing for the animals' "rights" to food, water, shelter, so on, which violates our right to claim them as property and do whatever we want to their bodies? Our rights as humans are far more important than the animal's because they don't have the capacity for moral reasoning or judgement. You're all are a bunch of losers if you think animals should have the same rights as we do. What's next, weed rights? cockroach rights? fungal rights? bacteria rights? viral rights? or what? Even in anarchy, an animal owner should have the right to neglect it, enslave it, end its life, overwork it, turn it into a burger, whatever. You can take your animal rights BS somewhere else like in a capitalist forum. Fascists such as those animal rights extremists, child-hating ageists, pampered racists, pompus scientists with their bogus "discoveries" and others are never welcome in anarchy and are just as worthless and despicable as your precious tarantulas and termites. Animals don't have rights and never will in a zillion years, so forget about fighting for their so-called "rights"!

[|Y|]

Animal rights (or rather, a sympathetic view toward animals) can be beneficial as it can make things more efficient (a move away from inefficient cattle farming, for example), and it can promote anti-authoritarian behavior between people. Of course, like any side theory, it is a double edged sword. If taken too far it can lead to authoritarianism.

Anti-racism can lead to racism. Anti-sexism can lead to sexism, etc. Anything in the extreme can lead to those things.

To suggest that these things are on the face of themselves corrupt is just ridiculous.

[Zoltan Zoltec]

mega man that was extremely ignorant...and the scarey part is that you sound intelligent

[Zazaban]

pompus scientists with their bogus "discoveries" and others are never welcome in anarchy

Ah, so science is bad. Somebody here hasn't been to the dark ages lately.

[sammy (sic)]

hmm do you all really think this person is being serious?

come on take a joke

[Zazaban]

hmm do you all really think this person is being serious?

come on take a joke

I've seen worse things intended to be serious, like the idea that rocks ought to have rights.

[Imnaxus]

The bottom line is you rely on the planet's life systems to live. By disrupting any form of life, you create a need for your death, and it's a no-win situation when it becomes beneficial to kill you.

[Nastasya]

Mega Man wrote:
Even in anarchy, an animal owner should have the right to neglect it, enslave it, end its life, overwork it, turn it into a burger, whatever.

I'm assuming you've never had a pet yourself, then?
Look, whether you realize it or not, animals are highly complex living beings - with developed nervous systems - that are capable of feeling pain, joy, sadness, and a bunch of other feelings/emotions.
I think advocating this unrestricted "right" to torture them is simply inhumane.
That said, I do not believe that animals have exactly the same rights as human beings. Given the choice, I'd always save a human life over an animal life. I cannot prevent all animal suffering - nature is immensely complex and I can't prevent the natural processes that are simply part of the cycle of life. Just as I can't prevent all human problems - such as car accidents.
But as a conscious person, I choose not to engage in the creation of their suffering myself. I do so directly by not eating meat, but I also try to watch out for the indirect consequences of my actions on animals.

But there is nothing natural about advocating that we can just do whatever we want with them. Animals are not robots.

Megaman said:
Our rights as humans are far more important than the animal's because they don't have the capacity for moral reasoning or judgement.

Precisely because we have the capacity of moral reasoning, we should carefully analyze our relations with the world.

Please release yourself from the idea that animals were created simply for our use. I don't know if you got it from the Bible or from your parents, but just observe a dog for one day and you'll realize that it's inhumane for you to think you can "overwork" it or "end its life" at your own will.

PS.: By the way, I'm using animal in the sense of "animals besides human beings" since, we all know from our Biology classes, that we're animals just as well. Perhaps reminding yourself of that once in a while will also be of use.

[tedster]

What I want to know is why did mega-man put in such a blanket statement about what anarchists feel. Did we take a vote that I missed?

[|Y|]

Check out his post history, he attempted to use a trolling style to fuck with us. I presisted in responding to him calmly and rationally and he got bored and left. Works every time.

(To the guy who thought I was crazy for giving him a reasonable response, it was merely to get him to stfu. I didn't really take him seriously.)

[Insecuritykiller]

I think we humans who can act rationally and justly can do so on the animals behalf. But we are still just beasts ourselves though, it will be awhile before we acknowledge our sentience. Hopefully it happens one day though.

[Francois Tremblay]

I see the animal rights movement as being somewhat deluded by the idea that life itself is some kind of sacred process, much like anti-abortion protesters. But the movement can be used by Anarchists in order to help along the protests against big corporations.

Their opinions on science are somewhat more iffy.

[Yarrow]

life is sacred. as in, only living things can process such concepts (only high-end in fact), so if anything is- and i assume the word exists for a reason- then life is it.

but of course we all have to eat. which is what blows speciesism out the water, it's just another ill-constructed concept. no two things are the same, so everything will be treated differently.

and please don't talk about the AR movement as if it was an amorphous blob, we all have differing views.

clearly, the problem is exploitative heirarchies.

[Francois Tremblay]

Yes, obviously AR activists all have different views, but they seem to all be tied together to the absolute idea that humans=bad/other species=good, and they often take this to extremes.

[ambi]

Yes, obviously AR activists all have different views, but they seem to all be tied together to the absolute idea that humans=bad/other species=good,

(emphasis added)

right. and all 9/11 truth activists are ron paul republicans.

sorry, it's just not true. no more true than 'anarchists are all black wearing troublemakers who want to steal all your posessions!!!!'