Racetraitor and settler something or other...

[homage]

What are people's latest thoughts on race traitor? What ever happened to Bring the Ruckus?

[|Y|]

What is race traitor, homage?

[homage]

go to www.racetraitor.org and read the section, "What We Believe" and then tell me what you think...

[Mind_Cemetary]

I'm not very familiar with Race Traitor but, based upon what I just read, their ideas sound fairly decent.

[homage]

Really? Do you think that racism is the keystone of all forms of domination?

[Mind_Cemetary]

Really? Do you think that racism is the keystone of all forms of domination?

I actually don't think they're saying that all other forms of domination stem from racism. Take this quote, for example:

When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category.

What this suggests to me is that they see racism snd racial privilege as residual effects of a far more complex system of domination. You could say exactly the same thing about sexism, homophobia, classism, etc. They are all subsidiary power structures that, to an extent, possess independent existence and function in slightly different ways (and, hence, require, slightly different forms of resistance) but are also the outgrowths of the same system of oppression.

[homage]

I'm sorry. That was a little bit confusing. I was conflating Race Traitor with Bring the Ruckus. As far as I know BTR basically created an organization around Race Traitor theory/ settler theory/ white studies. BTR sees racism as the keystone...

BTR:
www.agitatorindex.org

[Ricardo Fuego]

For the things I read in racetraitor.org, they think the whiteness it's a big support for capitalism in the US. That's why they have an abolitionist (and not anti-rascist) take on whiteness, because they think that way they will take out the biggest obstacle for class war in US.

[birthday pony]

I like them. They seem to have the same ideas as me. I don't prescribe to the "white race" although my skin is white. I gave myself dreadlocks as a way of separating myself from the white stereotype and to not reap all the benefits of being a white kid with straight hair, among other reasons. (Although, I will always reap some of the benefits just because my skin is white and I can't change that.)

[militant]

um, i agreed with you on another thread, but dreadlocks dont take away much privilege, and a lot of people of color (myself included to some extent), feel that 'anglo-dreads' are a serious example of cultural co-optation. i mean, ive have white friends with anglodreads and jewdreads, but we feel some resentment and snickering about such people (gee, i hope this is anonymous of me)

and i have always been mixed on the race traitor thing. bcuz there is a pretension and ego to it that is purely hollow. but there are good ideas in it as well.

[birthday pony]

well half of it was that i'm lazy and want an easy hairstyle.

no it doesn't get rid of all my white privilege, but cops and people of power certainly don't see me as "one of them."

as far as the culture co-optation, it's just a matter if preference. couldn't doing your hair at all be considered the same? i just happen to like an african hair style. it's just a cool hairstyle amongst radicals so i went for it.

[tedster]

um, i agreed with you on another thread, but dreadlocks dont take away much privilege, and a lot of people of color (myself included to some extent), feel that 'anglo-dreads' are a serious example of cultural co-optation. i mean, ive have white friends with anglodreads and jewdreads, but we feel some resentment and snickering about such people (gee, i hope this is anonymous of me)

and i have always been mixed on the race traitor thing. bcuz there is a pretension and ego to it that is purely hollow. but there are good ideas in it as well.

I was wondering how people of color felt about that.

[militant]

well, for starters there is some resentment and snickering. but honestly, im of the mind that bp and any other whitey has a right to have their hair as they want it, and i wouldnt try to take that from him, but some hairstyles have some political connotations that others dont. like young-middle aged white skinheads, in my opinion, should generally make sure that it is clear that they are antiracist. and anglo-dreads have a certain air about them.

and the cops and people in power still think youre 'one of them.' trust me on this one. they make think less of you, they may know youre rebelling against something (at least up there in the hair), but they still consider you one of them despite the hair.

[birthday pony]

i fully understand that i am not any less "white" than i used to be. dreads are just a way for me to visually show that i am rebelling against something in some way, amongst just being an easy to maintain hairstyle that i think looks nice.

the only time people have snickered about my hair, as far as i know, was when it was first being done and all ratty and stickin up all over the place. now that my dreads are mature i haven't had much snickering from anyone.

what do i imply by having dreads? i'd like to know.

[lefty]

I'd be curious to ask Noel Ignatiev if he think s that Jews are God's chosen people.