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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Marja » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:21 am

My parents taught me to respect everyone. But the advertisers sexualize women in ways they never sexualize men. And the boys in school always said that girls are only good for one thing. If a boy questions that, he gets gay-baited if not gay-bashed. If he doesn't question that, then nobody hears his dissent. If he doesn't hear anyone else's dissent, he might begin to feel that way. If he meets a girl, and they fall in love, or not, and (not speaking from experience) they sleep with each other, how will either one know what to do? The other boys in the locker room explained the mechanics in detail. Nobody else did. The other boys in the locker room taught these patriarchal attitudes too...

It is sick.

I thought that my background might help me. It hasn't. It has cursed me too... Most girls never have to hear and learn the boy's locker-room talk. Most girls never have to pretend to agree to save their skins. Most girls only have to deal with the media's sexualization of women, and not its even more severe sexualization of trans women... as either pathetic failures or sexual deceivers. Most butch women don't have to worry that people will question their womanhood. Most lesbian women don't have to worry that people will consider them patriarchs in disguise.
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Zazaban » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:15 pm

|Y| wrote:Zazaban, you should doubt it, women are far more oppressed sexually than men ever thought about being. When girls I know talk about sex it is rather lacking in depth and a shocking number of females I have known had never had an orgasm (we're taling 20-25 year olds). I believe women have been oppressed into being objects rather than individuals, so they miss out on finding their sexuality.


By 'open' I mean they seem more comfortable talking about it in a casual manner without getting squeamish.
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Toast » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:32 pm

Its whats socially acceptable.
Personally, I hate it when girls wear tight jeans and get pissed off at you for checking them out. Not staring at it or anything, just a quick glance and they'll flip a shit. Its a contradiction.
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Postby AndyMalroes » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:48 pm

|Y| wrote:Erm, for the record I have had females say "nice package" when I'm in swimtrunks. I did not feel offended. :P

You do realise as soon as you turned around they burst out laughing, don't you?.
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Sehnsucht » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:33 pm

Personally, I don't like getting any sort of comments on my physical appearance, I'd rather people compliment things I have more control over, like my creative accomplishments. You don't see guys going around telling other guys "Hey, dude! Nice hair! And those shoes you're wearing today look totally smashing!" Not often, anyway.

I think in a world where so much anxiety and expectation is piled up on female physical appearance (and on materialism and superficiality in general) it's more of an issue for females because they've been indoctrinated with that mentality.

Also, I think everyone has the right to let someone know when their attention is not wanted, no matter what they're wearing. Saying, "Women can't say shit about men staring at them when they wear short skirts, etc." is akin to saying, "That woman should have expected to get raped because she was dressed like a ho."

In a society that's so hyper-sexualized like ours, certain amounts of visible skin in certain areas are like a bullseye. If we can get past this and start seeing people as people and not just bodies, I don't think we'll have these sorts of problems anymore.
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Zazaban » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:43 pm

Sehnsucht wrote:"Hey, dude! Nice hair! And those shoes you're wearing today look totally smashing!" Not often, anyway.

I do that. :P

In a society that's so hyper-sexualized like ours I don't think we'll have these sorts of problems anymore.

What's wrong with sex? I see our society as sexually repressive rather than hyper-sexualized. I don't understand how a society that views sex as destructive and taboo as ours does can possibly be hyper-sexualized.
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby patrickhenry » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:51 pm

What's wrong with sex? I see our society as sexually repressive rather than hyper-sexualized. I don't understand how a society that views sex as destructive and taboo as ours does can possibly be hyper-sexualized.


I totally agree. too much puritan bullshit
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Zazaban » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:42 pm

The majority of the problems surrounding sex are caused by the weird, uptight attitude surrounding it and not by the act itself. Pornography, for example, would be fine if it wasn't monopolized by corporations. Society's fetishization of monogamy is causing a lot of sexual frustration for a lot of people who would probably be more comfortable in less traditional arrangements. And nudity has never hurt anyone, I don't see how it could, it's perfectly natural and has been seen by everyone, and yet for some reason it's seen as something disgusting.

It really grinds my gears when I hear anarchists moaning about sexual deviancy. (Not directed at anyone here, by the way.)
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby AndyMalroes » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:17 pm

Pornography, for example, would be fine if it wasn't monopolized by corporations.

And that's why I only watch amateur pornos.
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby Zazaban » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:16 pm

Despite what sound of the anarcho-puritans say, I think there will probably be more pornography in anarchy. People won't need to worry about status repercussions if they post a video on the internet. Plus, every time anarchy manages to gain a foothold in society, a free love spirit has arisen. Free love + Free internet + Webcams =
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Re: Nice Ass

Postby AndyMalroes » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:28 pm

Zazaban wrote:Despite what sound of the anarcho-puritans say, I think there will probably be more pornography in anarchy. People won't need to worry about status repercussions if they post a video on the internet. Plus, every time anarchy manages to gain a foothold in society, a free love spirit has arisen. Free love + Free internet + Webcams =

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