Ten Reasons For Anarchists To Be In Favor Of Porn

[Din]

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http://anarchodin.anarchobase.com/?p=116

[Blomacovidoxian]

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http://anarchodin.anarchobase.com/?p=116

Heh. I was going to link to this in the totalitarianism thread.

[|Y|]

WTF how did I miss this. Good post Din. I don't read your blog regularly because of RED ON BLACK EYE BURNING TEXT.

Thank god for user mode CSS.

[militant]

i would like to go thru them one by one, but where in your article do you so much as define it. your article crumbles bcuz of its overly simplified analysis of those who you disagree with. the leftist anti-pronographers arent usually anti-sex or moralists, as you seem to claim they are, and pronography isnt simply naked images, as you seem to think. the article cant be redeemed without fixing these egregious errors in logic and analysis.

[libertaris]

I cannot open the link, but instead of 10 godd reasons for anarchists t be in favour of porn, I have to say some reasons to be against it. But first I´d like to say that I mean "typical porn". If somebody, in his/her free way, wants to have sex and to film, and to show to somebody who wants to see it, it´s ok. But other kind of porn is sexual explotation:

- A lot of womans are talked about the sexual abuse they suffer in this kind of films. But I only have this references in spanish, sorry.

- A big enough percentage of woman who acced to be a porn actress, have told about sexual abuse whe they were childs, and asume the sexual abuse of the porn.

- Most of girls who work as porn actresses come from low income families, and that´s why they accept to earn money for this jobs, not because they really want it. As lower is the income, more easyly to accept the horrible work conditions for some money.

- The sexual roles of this films, simply sucks, and humiliation of both sexes in all this films are very clear to me, and to a lot of anti-sexist women and men.

- The huge account it generates, creating a huge industry behind wich are all this sexual abuse, and really capitalist relationships.

- You allways can create other kinds of porno. One where the girls is not always the same rol of man-pleasure-maker, and the man is not always this insensitive guay wich all his sexuality goes in his cock. Whit no sexist values. And, of course, whit other ways of distribution.

Until this porn is not created, I wont have other chance but have sex with my friends, and simply elude this porn stuff.

[libertaris]

again, I´m sorry about any several mistake with my english

[Guest]

there are points to be made on both sides. one interesting one i recently heard from a feminist and radical leftist woman opposed to pr0n & prostitution, is that we rarely consider how our patriarchal society influences our opinions and masks the fact (as she sees it, and i don't disagree) that men in such societies take for granted that they are entitled to the pleasures of a woman. so focusing on prostitution, since it's the more controversial, if you're a guy and you can't get laid for whatever reason, you should be able to go buy a piece, right?! hey, who's it hurt? if she's selling it voluntarily, what's the big deal? and yet the reverse isn't generally true; when a woman can't get laid, she buys a dildo. so for this inequity to change, either men should start hooking, or start settling for latex pocket vaginas. and the fact that the immediate retort will be, 'but women don't have high sex drives like men', only works against the retorter's case. anyway these are interesting subjects. my view is that in anarchy there will be far too many fulfilling prospects for women to be selling sex. they'd be free if they chose, but sans patriarchy it doesn't seem likely. and relations would be healthier all around, so it's doubtful there'd be as many hangups among men.

[Zazaban]

I find any argument against porn as a whole resting entirely on the role of women to be odd, as it completely ignores gay porn, in which there are no women involved.

Also, I recall there was once an anarcho-feminist porn collective. Hey, if people enjoy making it, I don't see how it's bad in a non-coercive situation. There's certainly enough exhibitionists in the world.

[Tsukae]

I feel porn is not an issue. Not all porn even has actual people. There is always Hentai stuff like my friend Lizzie draws. If people want to do it then I hope they have fun. I certainly will not think of them poorly for it.

[AndyMalroes]

Amateur porn

[libertaris]

I find any argument against porn as a whole resting entirely on the role of women to be odd, as it completely ignores gay porn, in which there are no women involved.

Also, I recall there was once an anarcho-feminist porn collective. Hey, if people enjoy making it, I don't see how it's bad in a non-coercive situation. There's certainly enough exhibitionists in the world.

I think I´ve talked about this too: I don´t have anything against have sex, film it, and ditribution. I wouldn´t mind, and, well, who knows if anytime i do it.

But nowadays porn, industrie of porn, is not that. And there´s a problem with sexual abuse, whit sexist values, and, well...to me is a pitty that those porn stars so many times are suffering, being penetrated by all the holes, very big dicks hiting his womb (and this is not funny, it hurts), but a lot of guys thinks "hey, that´s how i must do it, then?"...no, please, don´t


There are, as you say, anarco-feminist collective who works doing porno. Really nice. Has anybody tried? is not the same porno. Is not the same industry. Is not the same situation. I haven´t anything against sex, public sex, film, view. I have the problem with the industry and what it can generate...and how a lot of girls take this way because they don´t see another way, because they are obligated...

So please, if you wanna enjoy porno, just look for some porno who does not includes all this shit...

And, well, I think that maybe in USA you see the porno as a way to challenge the morality...I only say that porno is the other side of the same. And, well, I think in both, women don´t have a good deal...

That´s why I think there must be another kind of porno. But I have nothing to do whit this sexist porno. And some of this anarcho-feminist collectives are working on it. then, I would tray porno

[jrtayloriv]

In my opinion, most of the violent/rape/demeaning/etc porn is just a symptom of a diseased collective psyche. In a culture where people haven't been raised in violent, demeaning, hierarchical social systems, there most likely won't be people who need photos of people being demeaned, raped, and abused to get off.

Yes, it's scary to think of thousands of creeps jerking off to photos of people being raped and tied up and shat on. But I think that it's just one of millions of bizarre symptoms (neutering dogs, people huffing glue, teenagers with eating disorders, prostitution, etc) of a deeper set of problems -- capitalism, industrialism, government, sexism, etc. They will all go away when these problems are dealt with.

I doubt that a healthy society would even have the technological capability to produce or consume porn, nor the desire to do so.

On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong at this point if people want to make or consume porn, as long as they aren't wasting money purchasing it. It's not really hurting anyone -- if they're making it themselves for fun, then nobody's being exploited. And if they're downloading it for free on the internet, then the people who were exploited to produce it have already been exploited.

I really just don't see it being very a very important issue one way or the other.

[AndyMalroes]

I doubt that a healthy society would even have the technological capability to produce or consume porn, nor the desire to do so.

Your not a primmie are you?

[jrtayloriv]

I doubt that a healthy society would even have the technological capability to produce or consume porn, nor the desire to do so.

Your not a primmie are you?

No.

I didn't say that I think that a healthy society would all be a bunch of hunter-gatherers. I just don't think they'll be producing electronic gadgets, due to the negative health and environmental effects, and the dehumanizing factory conditions.

I do see them using agriculture and many forms of technology (wheeled carts, hand tools, composting toilets, modern organic/permaculture farming techniques etc).

Not all people who question technology are "primitivists". There is a middle ground between supporting full-fledged industrialism, and the opposite extreme of everyone being hunter-gatherers using nothing but stone tools.

[AndyMalroes]

I doubt that a healthy society would even have the technological capability to produce or consume porn,

Care to explain then?