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Postby j.rogue » Fri May 25, 2007 12:18 am

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Postby Smidget » Fri May 25, 2007 7:26 am

They would be assigned government jobs.
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Postby tedster » Fri May 25, 2007 9:46 am

Having taken a course in statistics, I don't think you will get an accurate image of what anarchist think by posting in a forum. But having said that, you would have to define what you think is crazy, as the word is often used very loosely to the point that when you say that somebody is crazy would not give a clear understanding of what exactly you meant by that.
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Postby MilitancyFetish » Fri May 25, 2007 3:54 pm

Castration. Definitely castration.
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Postby tedster » Fri May 25, 2007 3:57 pm

MilitancyFetish wrote:Castration. Definitely castration.


Eeeks, with that thought, my balls just crawled up into my body. :shock:
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Postby |Y| » Fri May 25, 2007 4:09 pm

If certain aspects of the movement are any indication, they'll become our role models. ;P
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Postby Anarchia » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:58 pm

The discussion on this on LibCom seems to be significantly more interesting than this one :P
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Postby Canteloupe » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:36 am

Yes, as noted on the other forum 'crazy' is not a medical term and could be construed as the behavior of anyone you don't happen to like, etc.

In an anarchist world, of course, everyone who is "fit" would be partying down 24/7, so the the sick and infirm, as well as with the crazy goyim would have to cope as best they can.
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Postby j.rogue » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:02 am

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Postby tedster » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:28 am

j.rogue wrote:1. I use crazy as an umbrella term


Well, lets put it this way. In California, there is something that is called a 5150, which essentially means that somebody who is either a harm to themselves or others could be confined involuntarily for a period of time. As Anarchist, we are likely to allow people to commit suicide as a right of choice, but we should make available services for those who are contemplating such thoughts. People who will harm themselves in different ways such as cutting, should also have such services, but intervention IMHO, should be allowed, something that I don't have a proposal for. As far as hurting or killing others, while it is up to the community, should have two options for that person. That person will need to leave, or if the community chooses to make it available, institutionalized for those who refuse to leave.

2. For clarity, are you saying the dis/abled folks will be left out in the cold after the rev?
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Postby Canteloupe » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:28 am

j.rogue wrote:1. I use crazy as an umbrella term

2. For clarity, are you saying the dis/abled folks will be left out in the cold after the rev?
An umbrella term for what?

Yes, the dis/abled folks would be left out in the cold, after the global warming, of course.
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Postby |Y| » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:51 am

Anarchia wrote:The discussion on this on LibCom seems to be significantly more interesting than this one :P


This has been discussed to death on these forums and a lengthy discussion explaining wtf we think is pretty much redundant.
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Postby j.rogue » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:19 pm

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Postby Canteloupe » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:29 am

j.rogue wrote:Anyone have links or know where to find the previous lengthy discussions?
Try the forum search or the flag search.
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Postby trueness » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:54 pm

If by crazy you mean mentally ill I think a lot of mental illness won't happen because environment does impact mental illness. In an anarchist society I doubt there'd be many homeless people, unless it's by choice. I have a friend who was kicked out of his house by his mom who was very angry after her divorce. He was homeless for 9 months, was taken in by a friend's family, and then was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Of course, genetics is a role too so not all mental illness will be stopped. But I think the stigma is likely to go away. Mentally ill people would be treated as people. They'd be more likely to have the right treatment so they could live normal lives, especially without the state limiting treatment options. After he was diagnosed my friend tried marijuana and has smoked it since and has never had any symptoms.

Dangerous mentally ill people would hopefully be restrained and then treated and lethal force would only be used when absolutely necessary.
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