is there a need for site:anarchist porn, erotic, dating...?

[rebelmouse]

Hi,
I am interested what is standpoint of other anarchists about porn and erotic and dating website for anarchists?
is there a need for it?
how many of you would use such website?
would you publish your personal photos and video (with nickname of course)?
would you try to find a date or relationship with help of such website?

it is the fact that today many people use commercial (free but with ads, or payable) classic ads websites when we want to find date, partner, or to watch sexy photos and films. of course such films are typical capitalist films (ads & as much as sex per day to make more and more films). so, in present situation, we can start to publish our own sexy photos, our own site for dating, our own site for porn video clips.
of course, I think upload of films would be at some hosting server, but I could make site where people can put their news (explanation and erotic or porno video, photo, striptease, need for dating/partner or whatever).
so if people want it, if they need it, I can create it. just as I said, hosting of video files should be at some server and streaming for video file at our website. pictures could be uploaded directly at our site.
if you show need for it, I can ask some anarchist webserver to give me hosting and to create website. but if there is no need, I don't want to spend time on creating of something what nobody will use.
you can choose: to visit still mainstream website for such things, or to have our own site for such things.
I know that someone can say: better find girl than to watch porno video of other people, but I know that people who have partner, watch sexy video clips and films. so there is no rule, who watch it and why. people are different.
in this way we can create our own space, where people can publish really different things and they can show their creativity. from photos to videos.
there would be and rules in order to make difference between our stuff and capitalist ones & in order to avoid capitalist publishing of such things at our site.
but I am really interested to see how many people who like to watch porn would publish their own video.
Personally I don't like to make public sex during I make sex, but it is not problem for me if other people later watch video where I am. problem is only that I don't have camera, so I will not be in position to publish my pictures or anything. but I am ready to offer such site to the other. when we start to publish our things, recorded in our way, we can avoid discussions about watching of porno where anyone is exploited in any way.
rules for pictures and videos are especial topic, now I just want to see is there need for such website. I will ask this question at other forums also. but I think that some conservative regions like east europe, will never publish their own pictures or video. but let's go to ask and to see reactions.

[dinsdale]

The problem with anarchists is deciding on who will be on top.

[ambi]

rebelmouse, you should check out http://fuckforforest.com

here is some of their sex-video: http://www.redtube.com/8074

non-sex video:



i think infoshop used to have a dating forum (?)... not sure if it is still there.

dinsdale, perhaps the question isn't who is on top, but whether to do it individually ... or collectively

[|Y|]

I kinda met someone because of the infoshop.org dating forum (it's actually a "meet up" forum), it seems to work well enough, but a nice site dedicated to amateur anarchist porn (persumbably without monetary reward/demands), meeting up, and dating would be amazing.

The key is keeping it from being infilitrated with racists and nationalists and statists, though. A (again presumbably) free site would attract those sorts of people.

[rebelmouse]

thanx ambi, I checked their site, it is okay, just to much: donate, donate. but idea is original and good. still I didn't visit their RedTube because I use public libraries and I don't want that administrator come to me with blabla about my visiting of such websites. libraries are totally under control. I will check tomorrow from some PC which is "in the corner"
dating website which I found at infoshop forum: http://www.libertarianpassions.com
but still I have to see content, it is for wider mass of people. for now, too much advertisements. I think that admin try to make money from banner-ads. but I will see the concept, maybe it can be used for my idea.

I am glad to see that "Y" also think that idea is good. good start.

[ambi]

rebel, the post from the guy with the picture of a big gun reminds me, one of the problems you will have to stop is predators, like him, who are interested in fucking children.

also, if you let anyone upload images/video, you will need a way to verify that they are over 18, otherwise the state will try to take you over and run the site themselves. the state wants a monopoly on child pornography. (for example: belgium.)

[rebelmouse]

well, site would be for uploading of personal pictures and link-streaming videos, so there would be not pictures and videos of other than one person per profile. or better said, the same person would have to repeat in pictures and videos (alone or together with some partner).
beside it, it will be for anarchists or people with similar way of thinking, so member can't be anyone. I don't need to make website for right wing and other similar idiots.
I can make some page for verifying of age, but should it be 18, it must be discussed. border of 18 years is decided by the state, not by me, so I don't care for their blabla. age of 18 is for me disrespect for young people, older want always to decide without to ask young anything.
beside it, young people are much more innovative, ready to make creativity and fun from their pictures, than older.
my personal beliefs are (when sex is in question) that people with 14-15 can understand very good what they do when they decide to have sex or to publish their erotic pictures, sex video, or whatever. younger than 14 are already children, for me. I think it is similar even about the criminal law: people under 14 are not responsible or partly responsible for criminal acts. with 15 they can already leave school and work for money. etc etc.
so if they can be workers with 15, or get license for car with 16, I don't see reason that sexy pictures must be over 18. but I don't believe that there are so young anarchists, so I don't think there will be pictures of children.
hope, predators will be caught and banned from website:)

I don't know what is better:
-to make typical website with Joomla CMS (where people/members can upload like news their explanation with erotic and sex photo or video) with forum for dating.
-to make social networking website where people can make their profile (with information, photo, video, etc)?

-does someone recommend any script/platform for social networking (which can be downloaded for free)?

[ambi]

i agree that the 18 number is somewhat arbitrary and state-defined, but that is not the point.

for example, we all love to have free speech, but if someone on flag posted something like "i am going to kill senator XYZ!" then flag would eventually get shut down, even if the person was joking/insane/etc.

iirc, in the netherlands it was legal to show consenting 16-17 year olds having sex together, but the laws were changed to conform with the 'international standard' of 18+.

whatever you end up doing, good luck.

[|Y|]

rebelmouse be careful talking about young people having the capacity to understand sex, you might be harrassed, preyed upon, and labeled a child fucker.

Young adults who post their own pictures have been jailed and designated *sex offenders*. So it's not necessary to see an 18 age minimum as compromising with the state in order to keep the site up, but rather to protect the users themselves from being tracked down and prosecuted by people like ambi who think young adults are incapable of making those kinds of decisions.

Given that this is almost 2009 predators tend to be handled by the users with education and knowledge. This is why many females on MySpace set their profile to "private." So freaks cannot stalk them and look at their pictures to jerk off to them. There's a whole subculture that goes around MySpace and other sites (such as PhotoBucket), finding pictures of girls and posting them online. There are also videos of assholes who manipulate less attractive girls into doing things for them on webcam, then laugh at them after the fact. These people are the lowest of the low, and educating users about this behavior is the only way to subvert it.

You might want to look at iSocial, it would require some minor modifications to get video working well, but it's a good CMS software. Appleseed would also be another interesting approach (especially since you can decentralize aspect of it), but I haven't played with it in awhile.

If you go forward with it let me know if you need tech support, I can do practically anything PHP/SQL related.

[rebelmouse]

Okay, people can confirm that they are 18, even nobody can check is it the truth. it is for the state, to keep site alive.

I think I will create social networking website, very similar platform like MySpace, and there will be groups, among other sexy group also. it is better so, because many anarchists are still conservative about publishing of sex, plus many should speak with partner about it, then they can start to make photo and video, but for video they would need time to get experience about recording. it means sexy site would need one year to become normally filled out with content.
therefore it is better to make social networking with possibilities for different groups, so people can choose what they need (dating, porno, erotic, and many other anarchist affinities groups). I hope I will succeed to install phpfox, which is very similar with MySpace. I found "free version" at rapidshare, paid version is 300 dollars per year. demo: http://live.phpfox.com/demo/
for me is interesting to see, how much people will leave MySpace/Facebook and use our own resources. it is hard to change daily behaviour, and some resources from present system became popular part of our life.

thanx for info about iSocial, and other, I will check it today, before I install phpfox. I will make test website, to see how everything function, before I ask anarchist webserver for hosting. test website will be http://rebelmouse.07x.net

hm, I just see that this is basic demo: http://live.phpfox.com/demo/
there are a lot other skins/themes.
http://www.styledojo.com/dojo/ (this one is good: formal gathering place for students of a martial arts style to conduct training)
http://www.zowned.com/ (this is for gamers)
http://www.starponyz.com/ (pony site)
http://www.myfandoms.com/ (fans)

[ambi]

rebelmouse, there is an expression in USenglish which says, "don't let the fox guard the hen house."

i'm sure you get the meaning

good luck with your project.

[|Y|]

rebelmouse, I really like your ToS. I hope this kicks off. Have you been advertizing?

[rebelmouse]

no, still I am not spreading news about it, except at some forum from my country. just that people know. before 3-4 days I asked 2 anarchist web servers to give me web hosting for these projects (one site will be social networking, second will be only Free Love). still I wait answers. after I get hosting, I must think which php script to use. and carefully upload all files. this test site showed me that some thing don't function because of files which are not uploaded (stupid FTP) and I saw structure of files inside. clone of myspace is much easier, I can find easier files where php should be changed. phpfox is harder but better for me. plus idiots who cerated phpfox, demand money, if they find someone to use it and don't want to pay, they demand from webserver to abolish website. well, I don't know what anarchist servers do in such case, but I would not like to loose social networking after site works one or two years. that is reason why I will possible choose clone of myspace, but maybe I will take a risk and use phpfox
now I must check news that riseup.net also plan their own social networking site...

yeah, I see now: https://we.riseup.net/crabgrass (https://we.riseup.net/)
it is more like facebook, there is no possibility for video, etc. therefore I like more MySpace than Facebook. Yeah, I think they will have more users than my version, because many people use their email hosting, and they can inform people very easy and they can give better professional technical support. plus their script can't be abolished like this my with phpfox... but in any case, I will offer to the people.
I think my version will be more personal, their version is more adapted for organizing. they let people to download their version, but I am not person who can change code and to use it little better way. their version now, it is too much for organizing and too litle for personal. for example, I don't visit so much AInfos because they became similar like beaurocracy: too much organization news, less other news. so, I don't need to read million statements of groups. it is boring to have so many statement in news. that's psychology which some groups don't understand. Therefore I read Infoshop news, not AInfos. I hope during the time they will bring CrabGrass to be more personal, in other case, it will be filled out with groups (what is not bad but it is bad if there are lack of individuals). so, their script (and security) is very good for groups and organizations, but they should make it more personal in the future. in that way they could gather really all our people from all over the world.

yeah, this is what is very good at them, I would like to have such thing: "Security: the first install of crabgrass, hosted at we.riseup.net, is configured to only allow https connections and all data is stored in encrypted format."
my security will be just: anarchist server don't give info to the authority, and administrator don't cooperate with authority. but riseup is even better: they give "https" plus "encryption". that is professional.

[rebelmouse]

hey Y,
I think you said you know PHP.
phpfox is very good, I would choose it if it is possible:
-to change php code that every profile become automatically public, until person decide alone to close it (to be visible only for friends)
-to make video dimensions bigger. now it is too little, so when I log in, and go to "video" it is shit. because of little dimensions in the center, and at right side is again bigger but too small video. I can't change it in admin panel, it should be changed in files. after it, when I click on video, dimensions are normal, but this pre-click look is shit.
of course, I ask for later, for this test site (http://rebelmouse.07x.net), I don't care.

clone of MySpace has even more options by default (but options can be added for phpfox, I think, I am afraid it is necessary to have new modules for it or new table in database). look by default: http://ourspace.07x.net/modules/friendfinder/
at this php script, administrating for me is easier than phpfox, but the only thing which I don't like:
-I don't see possibility for video streaming, there is only "links for videos". It is very stupid, I don't need links for videos in my profile, I need video streaming from other servers like YouTube.
-again: php should be changed so that profiles are public until someone decide different.
Is it possible to change this mistakes? if yes, then I should find someone who can do it, when I get hosting at some server. you can check now test site if you want:
http://ourspace.07x.net/user.php
user:demouser
password:demouser
you can click "video" and you will see there only link, but not video streaming.
if you want to control structure of files at server:
http://cpanel.07x.net
username:x07x_2794545
password:Olala123
then you go to "file manager".

after your explanation, I can decide which script is better. my favorite is phpfox. MySpace is more for wider mass of people. but in any case, I need explanation, I plan to use clone of MySpace for commercial networking, which have nothing with anarchism than with surviving in present system.
I will offer to the people to become everybody together owners of commercial networking site, and one day to sell everybody together website for big money. In that way, people will massively participate and one day we can make money from it. that so, when I am homeless who spend time beside PC. but I don't have my PC to learn things like PHP, CSS, Flash... so I depend from other people.

[|Y|]

rebelmouse, my offer of help was technical, just so you know, I don't want to do anything on the server itself, or modify any files myself. However, I can give you hints and advice. I won't be back until later tonight or tomorrow, but it seems phpfox allows you to modify the video size within its template feature.

When I get back I'll have a look at it and tell you the steps to do that. I can also look at the private/public profile thing you wanted to do.