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Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sun May 17, 2009 12:31 am

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Talk and Action,
the political and the armed wing of the party



Sex sells. Pornography is great advertising for sex -- so good it is taking over the market! "Child-pornography" is one of the best advertising tools the cause has.

Cp is used by the metropole as a distraction from what is cruel and bad in adult pornography: young women strangled and sexually abused -- consentually -- for a few dollars. The same dialectic is behind the systemic requirement that sex be informed and consentual, it is a diversion, a distraction, to hide the lie that informed consent is anything but free, as though half the women in the less-developed world choose freely to labour for a dollar a day in sweat shops, or as though the informed consumer has any choice except to buy Nabisco brand. Informed consent is a capitalist tool.

Cp is the single best propaganda tool girl-lovers have: Some little girls are hot. The proof is in the pudding. 99% of the time pornography is unequal, exploitative and abuse, but pedophiles make a mistake in choosing their allies too narrowly: in the revolution, anyone who is our enemy's enemy is our friend; and there could never be a better mascot for any movement than the little girl herself, and everything comely about her.

His love was obstructed and his will was inverted into a hate of society. Society also called his love hate, called his love violence. For the pedophile, when he is driven to the point of rebellion, when he reacts by reflex, he reacts with violence. Society has made the pedophile the perfect weapon: his love is his hate, his hate is his love: when the pedophile comes to revolutionary self-consciousness, he understands that the most real, most powerful tactic and weapon he has is being himself. And loving.

The pedophile remembers that the only real weapon he has, the most powerful one he has, the one that made him who he is, is his physical sexuality. When the pedophile acts individually, under personal initiative; and physically -- true to his nature -- the system is forced to use the only tactic it ever really had, and the one which most betrays its real nature: physical hate -- which can never win over love.

* * *

The system called pedophilia bad, and undid itself, creating a role-model and model of behavior for every rebel. Cp draws in any rebel-without-a-cause -- because pedophilia is bad. Cp is the only medium, besides pedophilia itself, which is genitive: self-replicating, something that can really be called a meme. No one seeks out written argumentative pedophile advocacy; it is an imposition -- cp is sought out. The rebellious counter-culture that has adopted pedophilia as part of its "bad" image is doing a great deal to legitimize pedophilia -- and spread it -- and to other out-groups and undifferentiated disenfranchised rebels.

The short term disadvantages of the acute bad press we get has long term advantages: media exposure precedes normalization. We don't need to campaign just to make a name for ourselves and to let people know who we are. A stereotyped caricature (pedo-smile, manipulative, socially inept) and the jokes that go with it have the effect of exposing their prejudice nature.

* * *

The advocate wants to change the system from within. Either the systemic neurosis can accommodate him, or it can not. The homosexual did not have to completely deconstruct the system to find his legitimacy in it. There was not per say a conflict of interest; society had so thoroughly disowned its ass that no one was going to contest the claim. For us, things are very different: "our children," the children are our future. Society is not going to give up its children so easily, witness the world-historical battle between parent and state.

The advocate is non-violent, he denies his physical existence; is he anything then but nothing? a wind of words? a cloud of high-ideals and obfuscation?

The advocate has a role in the pedophile's struggle for liberation: he must write the revolutionary tracts and poetry, he must analyze the system of oppression, he must develop our line and propaganda and deconstruct enemy propaganda. This is nothing less than building the entire ideological basis and justification for our struggle and victory.

The advocate must hold opinions consistent with his non-violence, with his physical quasi-non-existence: he must be against anything worldly: pornography, sex -- in effect: not doing anything at all. We can not blame the advocate for holding the positions he does with respect to sexuality-in-the-world or art: as advocate he must hold these positions.

Let the advocate remember however, when he plays tactics, that "a picture is worth a thousand words," and that as strong as an argument might be, existence is the highest form of truth.

Because the advocate accepts to plays the neutered role, he will sometimes escape persecution; but this is not guaranteed: the system still considers him dangerous so the metropole may have laws against his advocacy. Only the most passionate will risk their lives for their Juliet; hopefully they can say to themselves from behind prison bars: 'It would be worth it even if it meant eternity in hell.'

* * *

A little more than tweeks are required to first have a society where pedophilia would be legitimized -- legitimizing pedophilia in this society is out of the question, and to do so would only corrupt girl-love. Pedophilia won't be legitimized before something very near to wholesale destruction takes place. Pedohysteria is a neurosis; nothing less than psycotic break can crack it, the system depends on the physical world and the city planners, the cities themselves even need to come down.

* * *

In 1994, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, then president of Haiti made an angry and impassioned speech for the oppressed to rise up and attack the system. He called for them to use whatever was in their hand: a "trowel," the "constitution" or a "pen."

Every revolution has a weapon particular to its nature -- and characterization. A peasant will carry a pitchfork and sickle to the agricultural revolution. A writer will fight with his pen. A man who finds a gun in his hands will follow the war path with a Kalashnikov. In Lysistrata, women use sex as their weapon. And the pedophile? what weapon is in his hand?

This is not even a matter of 'which is mightier, the pen(is) or the sword?' or a deep question like 'this is my rifle, this is my gun' which one's for fighting and which is for fun?

Whatever is in your hand Aristide said.

What does the pedophile have in his hand?

At this point we could digress, dissolve the question, perhaps his hands are tied? or say that pedophilia isn't an essential characteristic: if he is a professional writer (advocate) his pen is in his hand; if he is a photographer (pornographer) his camera is in his hand; if he is in IT (webmaster) his laptop is in his hand...

The pedophile has his penis in his hand -- and possibly a child.

So, what is the pedophile's weapon particular to his nature? what is in his hand that he can use as a weapon? Pedo-terrorism?

More than words, what contradicts everything the anti can say?

It is the real, successful, erotic, age-discrepant, relationship.

The anti will tear those words to shreads: calling them contradictions, untrue, lies -- but the reality is --glaringly existential.

While the anti refuses to admit real evidence into the argument (and the advocate does not submit it) he can go on with his medieval scholasticism indefinately.

* * *

Advocacy gives a place in the system, albeit an awkward one. There is no "live and let live" with the system, so if one is to survive, one must have a place in the system, no matter how cowardly and in bad-faith this may seem.

The armed revolutionary who gets his hands dirty at "violence" ("abuse" and "rape") -- not with blood, but other bodily fluids -- is following the most natural line of attack for him, and the most cathartic and authentic conversion of his physical and violent oppression into his physical and "violent" emancipation.

The advocate is logically precluded from doing anything, or advocating anything, "violent." His will to live forces him to mitigate, submit, and become a shadow existence -- sub-human, a ghost, who can exist only in sarcasm, veiled threats, hypothetical and metaphorical speech.

The advocate is not saying anything if he isn't being obscene; it is just a question of how many layers of abstraction the obscenity is hidden behind. The difference between the political and armed wings of our party is a gray scale, without pure white or black at either end.


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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sun May 17, 2009 1:24 am

First of all, i believe in careing about other people. So if i saw that someone was acting violently i would kill them. If i knew someone was evil, if they were oversteping their bounds and not liveing up to their responsibilitys. If i knew they were abuseing children, i would kill them.

Pedophiles are human too. How bad does someones life have to get before they actualy go out and abuse children i don't know. They may be monsters in one sense, but they are still rational. A quick bullet to the head is all they require, nothing else. You're idea about them having a sarcastic existence is probably correct though.

Child abuse is ofcourse one of the most horrible things. For innosense to be exposed to preverted sexuality at such an early age. Who would ever want that for someone new to the world? That i think is their rage, they are angry at life to the point where they will break the most sacred law. Exposeing the cruelty of life. To themselves i think most of all. I'm just guessing here.

Whatever it is, and no one likes to dwell on the subject. It's a big leap to go from thought to action. What makes that happen i think doesn't matter. I'm sure pedophilia like any sexuality is not so great. Not good enough to be as good as being a sane person with nothing to burden their mind with. Not good at all really, sex is the basin of the universe. I'm not sure anyone could like sex with children that much. Unless they really have no idea about whats good in life. If they have that little experience, if they are that small of a being.

We just need to stop it happening. We have a long way to go yet though. There's so much fear in the world still, and not many voices of reason.

It's a terrible price we pay for our uncreativity.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sun May 17, 2009 1:25 am

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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sun May 17, 2009 1:35 am

Oh! Insecurity is an angry bigot; not a Gandhi or a Tolstoy anarchist!

Max Stirner is surprised!
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sun May 17, 2009 1:48 am

I raise my sword of justice high.

Defend all that is good!

Torture people if you have to.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sun May 17, 2009 1:52 am

Vana wrote:Oh! Insecurity is an angry bigot; not a Gandhi or a Tolstoy anarchist!

Max Stirner is surprised!

I just post that when I cannot think of anything to say, but still feel like replying anyway.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sun May 17, 2009 2:41 am

Chant with me!

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!

Let evil doers know that they are no longer safe!

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sun May 17, 2009 2:45 am

Insecuritykiller wrote:First of all, i believe in careing about other people.

I do not. And I think that is what anarchism asks of us. Non-intervention.

So if i saw that someone was acting violently i would kill them. If i knew someone was evil, if they were oversteping their bounds and not liveing up to their responsibilitys. If i knew they were abuseing children, i would kill them.

Do you know the story of Puck. Puck is a fairy, he once sees a toad being eaten by a snake. Should he free the toad or should he not interfere? Under what circumstances? Under the circumstance of a clear cry for help? Yes.

When can that be certain? Never.

You can never be certain what someone is thinking -- or that they are thinking.

Pedophiles are human too.

Good observation Einstein. Though pedophilia does seem to exist in the animal kingdom: both in chimps and in some species of birds also it is appears to be recorded, sex with juvenilles that is.

How bad does someones life have to get before they actualy go out and abuse children i don't know.

The problem of evil is well discussed already, are you suggesting we unpack the whole thing here and now?

Anarchism proposes that authority is the root of all evil.

Now what about when we must act with authority? For example: babies don't change their own nappies.

We make our best guess.

They may be monsters in one sense, but they are still rational. A quick bullet to the head is all they require, nothing else.

How about a bullet to your head you fucking ignorant nazi.

There is a difference between raping a girl and raping a girl. The one is a cruel and violent sexual mugging and it is illegal and called rape; the other is a pure and beautifl erotic union and it is illegal and called rape.

Stop eating all the McDonalds propaganda.

Anyone who is not our friend is our enemy. If you oppose free-love and support the system that hunts, tracks, imprisons, castrates, and murders us, then you are our enemy to death!

Non-resistence is consent!

You're idea about them having a sarcastic existence is probably correct though.

I wouldn't be telling you this otherwise would I.

Child abuse is ofcourse one of the most horrible things.


For innosense to be exposed to preverted sexuality at such an early age.

Okay.

Girl-love is not perverted, you're not meaning that are you. Perverted. Very exact word there, so we can have a poetry contest to prove the truth of this point.

Who would ever want that for someone new to the world?

New as opposed to old. Like a year old sandwich, you wouldn't eat that. But a fourty-year-old bottle of wine.

Okay, I'm not into beasts or babies, but tell me, why should I not love a new-born, or a sea urchin? Pray tell.


That i think is their rage, they are angry at life to the point where they will break the most sacred law. Exposeing the cruelty of life. To themselves i think most of all. I'm just guessing here.

Sure, there are thousands of pages of musing on the subject by clever thinkers like Carol or James, that's a useful contribution if you could expand it a bit.

Whatever it is, and no one likes to dwell on the subject. It's a big leap to go from thought to action.

Action must be a sort of thought. But, yes, I get what you mean. Interesting question, and in fact some people do like to dwell on it, it is their sublimation.

What makes that happen i think doesn't matter. I'm sure pedophilia like any sexuality is not so great. Not good enough to be as good as being a sane person with nothing to burden their mind with. Not good at all really, sex is the basin of the universe. I'm not sure anyone could like sex with children that much. Unless they really have no idea about whats good in life. If they have that little experience, if they are that small of a being.

Anti-sex. That is a mode of production for the system very similar to pedophilia, keeps the birth-rate limited for the production of highly socialized young people.

We just need to stop it happening.

If it is a good in the mind, it follows that it is also a good in the world. A good idea is better actual. We need on the contrary to eliminate your habit of teleiophilia, breed it out, eugenics maybe? Gas chambers, or bullets as you advise for non-girl-lovers. Because you admit that pedophilia is culturally relative, you accept the Pacific Islanders for their ways.

We have a long way to go yet though. There's so much fear in the world still, and not many voices of reason.

"We" or rather "I".

It's a terrible price we pay for our uncreativity.

You are the one regurgitating all the ignorant prejudice hateful media sterotypes about girl-lovers.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sun May 17, 2009 2:56 am

Insecuritykiller wrote:Chant with me!

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!

Let evil doers know that they are no longer safe!

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!

You want me to humiliate you for your stupidity?

Masochism is not a flattering paraphilia.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sun May 17, 2009 3:54 am

You've got the wrong idea about me.

I'm a total pervert, i wouldn't tell people the things i wank about. Even god gives us the privacy of our own minds. That's an expression, i made it up awhile ago to myself.

However for people who do evil. I don't like that. I will stop it. I've got an open mind and i give people their privacy. But i'll defend someone if they are under attack.

You have to learn that careing for other people is one of the greatest pleasures there are. And lots of people are under attack and lots of people need defending. I'll defend them. And when you are in trouble yourself i'll defend you. And you'll be happy when i do, and so will i. Then you'll change your tune.

There's nothing wrong with me. There's no reason why you shouldnt like me. I'm simply pure good. I do what makes sense.

Infact i'm pure anarchism, you couldn't find someone who is more of an anarchist then me. And you having a problem with what i said just shows how little you know about anarchism.'

For example, if you didn't care about other people why would you even be here talking on a political forum. Why shouldnt you be out enjoying yourself. There's much better things to do.

Oh yes, and the only controversial thing i prepose is that people have respect for white peoples Recessive genes. Not to the point of violence. People should be free to come and go as they please, after the revolution anyway, and i don't mind if people have mixed relationships. But it would be good if we could get the most out of these genes we can. Not to the point of violence unless a particular community desires to be exclusionary, then that's their business. I mean if they wanted a particular peice of land for themselves. We have to make this world of ours a nice place to live. We have to make our lives happy. I don't believe in eugenics. That's much to cruel and ugly. Whatever is human and sane is what i desire.

People have the ability to cause pain to each other. Extreme pain, pain that you dont want. Pain that i can save you from by killing that person. This is what i was talking about.

Everyone has a right to defend themselves, and certain things. A just society is what we desire. With goals and ambitions aswell. These ofcourse wouldnt be decided by an unjust authority, but rather the collective desire of the society. It would happen on its own once the ball got rolling.

Me, myself? My life i feel is over. All i am now is a gun to be wielded. The last thing i can do with myself is work for the good of humanity. And give myself the diginity of the destiny i wanted for myself.

Oh and what you are talking about is that it's ok to like younger girls. Well i agree. It's good to keep things sociable though. As in making the world seem sane and a good place to live. A society.

So you enjoy the idea of being raped as a little girl. Well, that just makes me like you. As a fellow pervert. I like people who are into sex that much, shows that you have character. We are not too different.

I feel that when a woman says to you that she enjoys the idea of being raped as a little girl then you are having a good conversation. What else is good about this conversation i ask you?
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sun May 17, 2009 12:24 pm

I misunderstood your first post when i first read it. I read it again. You sure are a kinky girl. Advocateing pedophilia, thats so evil and i love you for it. That's very out of character for a woman to do and i praise you most highly for it.

Thank you, for being more evil then me.

That aside however, i will always defend someone who needs defending and i think that's what anarchism is about. Atleast revolutionaryly.

If you don't care about other people, why not just create a bubble of happiness for yourself and fuck the rest? We are the revolutionarys hun. We are the ones who care about other people. There's no other reason to talk on a forum other then to be a childish angry person. And very rightly so, let's be childish and angry and come together to kill people we don't like. For humanity, there was never a greater cause. Wipe those tears from your eyes as you fight for humanity.

Maybe once anarchism is brought about we will be able to not give a shit about each other because we will be smart enough to not be tricked by other people. But we have to make a revolution and this requires that we care. You seem to be an individualist anarchist, but this just means that you havn't learned to love humanity yet. But your talking on this forum betrays that sentiment. There's nothing better on this earth then loving humanity, humanity is so good.

Fuck, what a wonderful opportunity. Let's go molest children together.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sun May 17, 2009 2:54 pm

IK is a bit unpopular around here. He doesn't really represent the views of the people on this site. In fact, I'm not quite clear what his views even are, he self-contradicts. It a been speculated that he may in fact be Liam Gallagher.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Mon May 18, 2009 12:31 am

I totaly like her, she's very funny.

But not enough to have a relationship.

Unfortunatly i require the perfect life. And that opportunity was lost of me. Maybe not, life can always be exciteing. How could i enter the social world again?

I like her enough to have a little internet crush on her though.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Mon May 18, 2009 2:20 am

Yes, but are you Liam Gallagher?
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Garnier » Mon May 18, 2009 4:01 am

How would we deal with the likes of Andrey Chikatilo in an anarchy?

a) read him Baudriard untill he dies of boredom
b) hang him, revive him and hang him again
c) praise him for being non-conformistic,creative & original (which he was in a idiotic-macabre way)
d) let the people affected by his actions decide by voting what is to be done (anarchist direct action)

I just love this 'Anarchists promoting marginalization consciousness' board!
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