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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:38 pm

No, I'm saying that I don't feel that there's enough of an understanding of the mental processes involved to make a clear declaration on the matter.

I should also say that it is a rather good case, but the aforementioned variable makes it impossible for me to be convinced.

Anarchism doesn't really have working definitions for coercion or consent- We should work on that.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:41 pm

Zazaban wrote:No, I'm saying that I don't feel that there's enough of an understanding of the mental processes involved to make a clear declaration on the matter.

I should also say that it is a rather good case, but the aforementioned variable makes it impossible for me to be convinced.

Very good. Conviction is impossible without experience. This is the best that we can hope for of a non-pedophile. Write your member of congress today.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:42 pm

Vana wrote:
Zazaban wrote:No, I'm saying that I don't feel that there's enough of an understanding of the mental processes involved to make a clear declaration on the matter.

I should also say that it is a rather good case, but the aforementioned variable makes it impossible for me to be convinced.

Very good. Conviction is impossible without experience. This is the best that we can hope for of a non-pedophile. Write your member of congress today.

Not american so I don't have a congressman. Not that I'd try to appeal to them for anything if I did.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:43 pm

Zazaban wrote:Anarchism doesn't really have working definitions for coercion or consent- We should work on that.

Negative definitions are the best that is possible with anarchism. (Without government.)
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:43 pm

Zazaban wrote:Not american so I don't have a congressman. Not that I'd try to appeal to them for anything if I did.

I know. And I know. Tell your friends.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:48 pm

Since sex-positivism was brought up: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75728

I honestly think it's possible that that thread can lead to something productive.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:05 pm

Zazaban wrote:I honestly think it's possible that that thread can lead to something productive.

Manging a pedophile advocacy thread isn't easy. It gets locked and deleted on most boards. But I think we have done a good job of teaching and convincing people. Let's see who else we can learn from to strengthen our own missionary techniques, and who can learn from us and dispell their hate and prejudice.

I'll post my synopsis for you, interesting re the crypto-anarchism remark above from thelastindividual, I first posted the following Synopsis encrypted, you can see some of it still here in one of my explorations of anarchism called...

The Slave Child Rebellion...
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:06 pm

Synopsis

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Alas all pipers are paid.

This is a minority report, one you will not often find presented anywhere as it has been ruthlessly suppressed; one of the few exceptions is perhaps, in a veiled way, Peter Singer's Animal Liberation. This is my interpretation of the position of minor attracted adults and the society which oppresses them.

Near Age

Almost anyone will admit that the age of consent laws are a corrupt line in the sand. There is no difference between a twenty-one-year-old, a nineteen-year-old or a sixteen-year-old, or whatever the age of consent happens to be in your region.

7-11

Children have had every right denied them. Their status is either that of the chattel of their parents or of the state. Young people can not own property, form contracts, receive equal treatment before the law, work for personal profit, access information, choose marriage partners, give consent to medical treatment, or other bodily control such as tattooing or piercing; have no freedom to information and media, no right to bear arms, have no freedom of locomotion: both local (bars, residence) and international, have no freedom to choose sexual partners, no right to join an army to fight for their country, no power to hold public office, no right to vote, no freedom to drive a car, no power over diet, alcohol, tobacco, are forced to attend schools and on and on. It would not be a mistake to see in this the general attack on liberties underway in the West and globally. In times past, young people enjoyed all these freedoms, and why not? History is full of young emperors, boy generals, and millions of forgotten heads of households, child-brides and grooms and laboring young people; all quite capable and responsible. In Ancient Rome, age of majority was seven, in Iran today, legal liability starts at six for girls and nine for boys. Young people are quite capable of acting "maturely" when they are not treated like children.

Infants, Animals and the Retarded

One is inclined to think that this group can not consent. This would be right. But it also exposes the contradiction in consent law. Consent law is a capitalist tool to divert attention from the brutal and forced nature of society. It requires no great feat of empathy to perceive that animals do not want to be butchered and eaten, or to understand when dogs enjoy or dislike being pet. In the case of infants and toddlers, do we need their informed consent to feed them, change their diapers, play with them or do other things for them that they like? No. And as it is well known this side of the Victorian Age that children have sexuality, why then do we deny them the pleasures of sex?

Hysteria

What then is the origin of the hysteria surrounding minor attracted adults? Part of it relates to the archaic notion that parents own their children. But more important is how children have come to be used as the idols for a post-modern society drowning in meaninglessness. The young person is set up as the golden calf of ideal goodness; and in the negative, the pedophile is set up as a neo-Victorian evil for a society otherwise unable, against nihilism, to define evil. This evil then has a further function, namely classic fascist scapegoating. Pedohysteria is a war on terror, a manufactured readymade conspiracy theory for an angry and fearful age.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:06 pm

Oh, I meant the one I linked to.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:07 pm

Zazaban wrote:Oh, I meant the one I linked to.

Yes, I see it. Are you a fur?
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:16 pm

Vana wrote:
Zazaban wrote:Oh, I meant the one I linked to.

Yes, I see it. Are you a fur?

Odd question.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Alex » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:19 pm

Zazaban wrote:
Vana wrote:
Zazaban wrote:Oh, I meant the one I linked to.

Yes, I see it. Are you a fur?

Odd question.

How so? "Lick" makes me think that.

Zaz, I like you too, you seem wise, if you have time, please have a look at my anarchist journal/scrap-book, and tell me some of your thoughts, it is about "how I fell in with anarchism",


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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Zazaban » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:49 pm

Vana wrote:
Zazaban wrote:
Vana wrote:Yes, I see it. Are you a fur?

Odd question.

How so? "Lick" makes me think that.

I was just repeating back what IK said.
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:48 pm

Zaz, perhaps we should organise gang rapeing her and see how she feels about it?

You can fuck her and i'll rub my cock in her face.

Then we can double penetrate her and rub our cocks together.

You're not going to hate me are you vana? I'd love to goto russia and meet you. we can be boyfriend and girlfriend. for sure.
TAKE WHAT IS YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Talk and Action

Postby Insecuritykiller » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:53 pm

By the way i really am sexy. I'm the sexiest man i've ever known. You should see me drink a glass of water.

And i'm cool too, you should hear me talk. I have a very sexy voice. For real. I need to go on some adventure.
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