What if?

[Insecuritykiller]

What if white people hadn't invented technolegy. What if asian people invented it, or even black people. They were in contact with civilisation before white people.

How would the world view white people then? Would we be seen as ugly people with frizzy hair because our poor background would make us poor workers? Or would the other civilisation take us in.

Or would they have shared their knowlege with us kindly, the exact opposite of what we did to them. Which was not shareing anything. That was the great crime the world hated us for, we didn't share our important information. And we still don't.

How would the world see us, in an alternative history. What would they do with us?

[thelastindividual]

What if white people hadn't invented technolegy. What if asian people invented it, or even black people.

If I'm not mistaken the chinese invented quite a few things. Gunpowder come to mind instantly and tea if I'm not mistaken. The arabic speaking world also made large developments in the fields of art and medicine before they stagnated thanks to the rise of islamic fundamentalism.

[leadhead]

What if white people hadn't invented technolegy. What if asian people invented it, or even black people. They were in contact with civilisation before white people.

How would the world view white people then? Would we be seen as ugly people with frizzy hair because our poor background would make us poor workers? Or would the other civilisation take us in.

Or would they have shared their knowlege with us kindly, the exact opposite of what we did to them. Which was not shareing anything. That was the great crime the world hated us for, we didn't share our important information. And we still don't.

How would the world see us, in an alternative history. What would they do with us?

Actually, Aborigines invented the first hunting weapon.

[Insecuritykiller]

Sure other cultures invented things. But it was the west where the industrial revolution took place. What if the industrial revolution took place in africa?

How would the relations between 'races' take place.

An interesting thing to think about is that mohummad split the world in half. If mohummad had failed, then the world would of been a united christian one. And the christian message would of been continued to be spread. Down to africa and even east probably.

Racism is actually the arabs fault. If they hadn't waged their war of pride against the greeks then africans, arabs and europeans would be one christian people. I'm sure it was the muslims who triggered europeans distrust of 'brown' skinned people. That assosiation probably would of carried onto the gyspies.

[thelastindividual]

An interesting thing to think about is that mohummad split the world in half. If mohummad had failed, then the world would of been a united christian one. And the christian message would of been continued to be spread. Down to africa and even east probably.

I believe it is polite to say 'Peace be upon him' or at least an abbreviated version thereof every time you say the name of the Islamic prophet.

And that's a very binary view you have of life Insecuritykiller. There are more faiths than two. Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism. Three religions besides that of Christianity and Islam. And of course one third of the world bow down to no god

[Zazaban]

Actually, if there had been no Islam, there would be a rather large, dominating chuck of the world that is Christian. And European racism probably wouldn't have evolved either. But it's totally irrelevant now. It's like speculating what would have happened if Julius Caesar had never been born, it's irrelevant to political debate.

And for that matter, I'm never ever going to follow the name of Muhammad with 'peace be upon him' any more than I'm sudden going to start called Jesus 'lord and saviour' to be polite to christians. It's idiotic. It's a sad day when anarchists are telling people to use adorations when naming religious figures.

[thelastindividual]

And for that matter, I'm never ever going to follow the name of Muhammad with 'peace be upon him' any more than I'm sudden going to start called Jesus 'lord and saviour' to be polite to christians. It's idiotic. It's a sad day when anarchists are telling people to use adorations when naming religious figures.

Oh yeah sorry. It's just in the last two years of school I was surrounded by bloody minded liberals and that kind of thinking is hard to wash out

[Bodhisattva]

Don't forget, there are cultural prejudices as well as religious ones. Christians kill Christians all the time throughout history because of differences in belief. Not to mention, Christians were anti-semetic way before the 7th century.

It's probably true that an even greater margin of the world's people would be Christian if Mohammad hadn't tripped out on moldy bread and hid inside that cave while the voices in his head babbled bilious and boring bullshit.

Then again, another master of bullshit might have made some crap up, wrote a nice book, and claimed it was the divine word of god (lowercase intended).

That said, I think Persian alchemists had a direct influence on the Industrial Revolution. Yes, the Chinese invented gunpowder, but it was the Middle East that the first of the mathemathical equations that would allow technology to be theorized, let alone created.

But yeah, no doubt things would be different if the world was Asiatic-centric or Afro-centric. Then again, it would be the same old shit, just a different path leading to it. People seem to be remarkably similar in general outlook and behaviour, regardless of the chunk of land they live on.

[leadhead]

Sure other cultures invented things. But it was the west where the industrial revolution took place. What if the industrial revolution took place in africa?

How would the relations between 'races' take place.

An interesting thing to think about is that mohummad split the world in half. If mohummad had failed, then the world would of been a united christian one. And the christian message would of been continued to be spread. Down to africa and even east probably.

Racism is actually the arabs fault. If they hadn't waged their war of pride against the greeks then africans, arabs and europeans would be one christian people. I'm sure it was the muslims who triggered europeans distrust of 'brown' skinned people. That assosiation probably would of carried onto the gyspies.

It's not like the Greeks were completely naive to the idea of racism and genocide. They were raping, murdering and kidnapping healots well before they met persians. In fact, Stalin probably got is infamous secret police idea from the spartans.

Civilized africa was also fully adept at racism without any persian help. Egyptians had a couple thousand years and about 7 or so races that they conquered and enslaved before xerxes.

Racism started in the same place everything else started in Ancient Sumer.

As for the East, well I dont think it needs to be explained how fucked in the head they were as chinese dynasties took altruistic grotesqueness to an unimagined extreme which seemed to blow over to Japan with the trade winds.

I think I can consolidate your thinking to a simple song with simple lyrics and it goes a little something like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po6geuIbZRU

[Insecuritykiller]

My point is that the world is very prejudiced against white people and our experience of racism may be different had things been slightly different.

This is important to consider when white nationalism is an issue. Because maybe in another future people wouldn't see it as such a bad thing.

Certainly asian nationalism these days is not an issue. Because they are all samurais.

I don't care if you are racist or anti-racist. I'm just trying to open up your minds.

[Guest]

Actually, if there had been no Islam, there would be a rather large, dominating chuck of the world that is Christian. And European racism probably wouldn't have evolved either. But it's totally irrelevant now. It's like speculating what would have happened if Julius Caesar had never been born, it's irrelevant to political debate.

And for that matter, I'm never ever going to follow the name of Muhammad with 'peace be upon him' any more than I'm sudden going to start called Jesus 'lord and saviour' to be polite to christians. It's idiotic. It's a sad day when anarchists are telling people to use adorations when naming religious figures.

so islam is responsible for racism?

what are you, a fucking nazi?

BAN THE NAZI!!!!!

hypocrite.

[Insecuritykiller]

As well other races perceptions of themselves would be alot differn't too. I think they would like themselves a whole lot more and so would we all.

We've all been psychologicaly dominated in the most sad way.

[Zazaban]

so islam is responsible for racism?

what are you, a fucking nazi?

BAN THE NAZI!!!!!

hypocrite.

I never said any of that. It was semi off-topic speculative rambling about an alternate timeline. Please don't put words in my mouth.

[|Y|]

Yeah, because current societies contributions are solely white males...

[Insecuritykiller]

I suggest you go take a trip to africa, where there are no white people. See how the world is different there.

And why does everyone move to white countries? Don't avoid the issue.