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The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:27 pm

People who arent white want stuff from white people. And white people are afraid of people who arent white. It's not fear that creates racism, its fear that creates anti-racism.

Whats happening is hordes of non-whites are selfishly not concidering the future and moveing to the west so they can live with the white people. The west also needs workers to fill its factorys and is too scared to encourage its population to procreate.

So we are in this funny situation where we are all living with each other to the sacrifice of a future with white people in it. But we can't do anything about it because white people and those who move to the west are so scared of the other races that arent white.

Scared. not of racism. Scared by asians. Scared by black people. Scared by all races which are not white. Permanently in denial of the oh so obvious truth. That asians look like asians, that black people are black and anything else. That white people are the most interesting to look at and the most loved. We will live with this for the rest of forever, there's no reason to be scared. Only like 10% of the world are white, all the rest are "worthless dogs." When so many people are so, why should we be scared? Why should we not be vocal about what we live with every day and the rest of humanitys collective life? We shouldnt be scared. not at all. There's nothing to fear about asians or black people.

It's not because i'm white that i say this, i could be from any race.

The other races need white people. They need to live with us. Especially black people. I recoginse the importance of this. But what i believe needs to happen is that we need to make atleast some effort to keep white people alive for awhile longer. For everyone, not just white people.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Jawn Disease » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:18 pm

Normally, I'd never consider actually replying to one of your posts, but this one is just so ridiculous I had to, in case anybody is reading this forum and thinks that you speak, in any way, for the rest of us.

Insecuritykiller wrote:People who arent white want stuff from white people.


People want stuff from other people. White people want stuff from people who aren't white. In case you forgot, that's why Europeans conquered and colonized the planet.

And white people are afraid of people who arent white.


I'm not, although you appear to be. And again, people are afraid of people. You think black Americans aren't afraid of white Americans? They know full well that the country they live in was built on the premise of white privilege, and all the lip-service in the world to 'civil rights' isn't going to change that for the foreseeable future.

It's not fear that creates racism, its fear that creates anti-racism.


This makes no sense.

Whats happening is hordes of non-whites are selfishly not concidering the future and moveing to the west so they can live with the white people.


So-called white countries encourage immigration and provide jobs to immigrants. How is it selfish to move to the west? Also, nobody moves so they can live 'with white people', they move because conditions in modern industrialized countries are better than conditions in backward developing countries. If Japan didn't have strict anti-immigration laws, it would be full of immigrants too.

The west also needs workers to fill its factorys and is too scared to encourage its population to procreate.


All western countries encourage their citizens to procreate by means of tax deductions, free child-care and so forth.

So we are in this funny situation where we are all living with each other to the sacrifice of a future with white people in it. But we can't do anything about it because white people and those who move to the west are so scared of the other races that arent white.


How does living with non-white people sacrifice the future of the 'white race'? If you don't want white people to disappear, marry a white woman and have a bunch of white kids. Better yet, if you really care that much, marry someone who's half white, and have three-quarter white kids who can then marry white, giving you a bunch of grandchildren practically indistuishable from yourself and your ancestors, except maybe with a better tan. Nobody's forcing anyone to have children with non-white immigrants.

And, if people really were so terrified of non-whites, believe me, there would still be immigration laws restricting immigration of non-majority groups, like in Japan.

Scared. not of racism. Scared by asians. Scared by black people. Scared by all races which are not white. Permanently in denial of the oh so obvious truth. That asians look like asians, that black people are black and anything else. That white people are the most interesting to look at and the most loved.


White people are the most interesting to look at and the most loved? I'm pretty sure white people are the least loved 'race' in the world, buddy, and as for being interesting to look at, what the hell are you talking about?

We will live with this for the rest of forever, there's no reason to be scared. Only like 10% of the world are white, all the rest are "worthless dogs." When so many people are so, why should we be scared? Why should we not be vocal about what we live with every day and the rest of humanitys collective life? We shouldnt be scared. not at all. There's nothing to fear about asians or black people.


What is this even supposed to mean?

It's not because i'm white that i say this, i could be from any race.


No. It is definitely because you are white that you say this. Why don't you head along down to Stormfront, you'd fit in a lot better.

The other races need white people. They need to live with us. Especially black people. I recoginse the importance of this. But what i believe needs to happen is that we need to make atleast some effort to keep white people alive for awhile longer. For everyone, not just white people.


The 'other races' do NOT need white people, and white people will exist as long as white people have children. What are you so afraid of, Mr. We-Shouldn't-Be-Afraid?
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:41 am

People want stuff from other people. White people want stuff from people who aren't white. In case you forgot, that's why Europeans conquered and colonized the planet.


I'm talking about how black people worship white people. Ever since they are kids they are like "ooo look the white people."

You think black Americans aren't afraid of white Americans?


Definitely not!!!!!

know full well that the country they live in was built on the premise of white privilege


They dont care even one little bit about white priviliege. They came here to live with white people! they love white people. They dont care about our privilege, they want us to have it!

This makes no sense.


You're scared of race, so you call anyone who talks about it a racist. Scared that asians arent fun to look at, scared that black peoples skins too black. Fear of wogs is a pretty big one aswell. Asians, various wogs and africans are scary to you.

Also, nobody moves so they can live 'with white people', they move because conditions in modern industrialized countries are better than conditions in backward developing countries. If Japan didn't have strict anti-immigration laws, it would be full of immigrants too.


Interesting you bring this up. While this appears to be the truth, other races also do have the desire to live with white people and escape their own race.

All western countries encourage their citizens to procreate by means of tax deductions, free child-care and so forth.


Yeah true.

Nobody's forcing anyone to have children with non-white immigrants.


Doesnt even matter. If we keep accepting immigrants white people will no longer exist. Already they are doomed indeed, to grow up with each other, fall in love with each other and have chidlren with each other.

White people are the most interesting to look at and the most loved? I'm pretty sure white people are the least loved 'race' in the world, buddy, and as for being interesting to look at, what the hell are you talking about?


This is the part of my post i like the least. Talking about white people. Really i wanted to talk about asians wogs and black people more. And the fear of them. Though to explain white people are like, especially to black people and asians, they basicly grow up and see white people as some kind of ideal.

What is this even supposed to mean?


Means most people arent white so we shouldnt be afraid of the races.

No. It is definitely because you are white that you say this.


I just happen to be white. A person from any race could say this.

The 'other races' do NOT need white people,


OH YES THEY DO!!

and white people will exist as long as white people have children.


Keep accepting immigrants and we are gone! Though there is some truth to what you say. I dont think we should have some big racist thing. All i want is as you said for white people to have more children and thats it. Some small effort needs to be made to keep this going, it cant be kept going forever i admit that. But we shouldnt be in a hurry to wipe out this special group of people.

What are you so afraid of, Mr. We-Shouldn't-Be-Afraid?


Muslims taking over the earth and white people dieing off too early. Because i personally know of their value to our human race. Thats it.

And i don't want a big fuss about it, i just want as you said people to have mostly white children if they can. Even if they are half breeds or whatever i dont care.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Jawn Disease » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:30 am

Insecuritykiller wrote:
People want stuff from other people. White people want stuff from people who aren't white. In case you forgot, that's why Europeans conquered and colonized the planet.


I'm talking about how black people worship white people. Ever since they are kids they are like "ooo look the white people."


Give me one, tiny, little shred of evidence for this completely silly and ignorant statement. Fuck have you ever listened to any rap???

You think black Americans aren't afraid of white Americans?


Definitely not!!!!!


Dead Prez Dem Crazy Lyrics:
The police is the enemy

[Hook:]
Everywhere the white man go he bring misery
All throughout history, look it up
Everything them bald heads touch they fuck it up
Every government he set up, it be corrupt

Revolution

Dead Prez, people Army, Steve Marley, Ghetto Youth Crew

What you know is who you are, who are you?
Do you know who you are in the world?
What is your world view?
What do you go through?, what has your life shown you?
What are you learnin in this so called life?
Do you have principle or do you blow with the wind
Do you wanna be free but don't know where to begin
Do you know your enemy from your friend, even you can
It's deep in this scannin the system that keepin us here
Will we survive, do you believe, are we afraid
Would you rather have control of
your life, or be a slave
Show me a sign, a pig ain't no homey of mine
They own me what's mine, I show you
if you loan me your nine
I'm only concerned for tables to turn
When the people learn the truth about the
system, the cities will burn
And I stand firm, like Chaka Zulu,
these crackers can't stop you
Who you?

[Stephen Marley]
Dem crazy, Dem crazy
chase those crazy bald heads
right outta town.
[ Find more Lyrics on http://mp3lyrics.org/IZQ ]


This is what we be waitin for?
21st century we still poor
World war, they want me to kill for
What happened to the future they always predicted
With new science fictional things and space visits
I've seen two sides, us against them
Police troops ride with four to five men
Prison business is boomin, senators grin
People searchin for answers, where to begin
Capitilism born from the backs of blacks
White folks relax, live off the kick backs
Gettin work to the bone jo, build this country
Further exploided by class to make money
Filthy rich capitalist with blood loot
Use main frames systems to bank
and compute
With the next technology, credit to the wires
Internet growth demand more suppliers
Welfare, ederly checks and wage workers
All us, elephants trapped in they circus
Ain't fightin over man made chips no more
When the lights go out, it's gonna belong to the poor

[Stephen Marley]
Dem crazy, dem crazy
chase those bald heads
right outta town

[Chorus x2:]
Everything you got, is what you took from me
Conditions on my block, just like me and slavery

know full well that the country they live in was built on the premise of white privilege


They dont care even one little bit about white priviliege. They came here to live with white people! they love white people. They dont care about our privilege, they want us to have it!


THEY WERE BROUGHT TO AMERICA AS SLAVES AGAINST THEIR WILL YOU IGNORANT MORON

This makes no sense.


You're scared of race, so you call anyone who talks about it a racist. Scared that asians arent fun to look at, scared that black peoples skins too black. Fear of wogs is a pretty big one aswell. Asians, various wogs and africans are scary to you.


I am not scared of race. I see race as a social construct, skin colour as inconsequential, and class differences as the cause of different levels of crime within and between communities. I've lived for four years in China and two years in Pakistan, and believe me, I ain't afraid of people who don't look like me. If anything I'm more afraid of people who DO.

Also, nobody moves so they can live 'with white people', they move because conditions in modern industrialized countries are better than conditions in backward developing countries. If Japan didn't have strict anti-immigration laws, it would be full of immigrants too.


Interesting you bring this up. While this appears to be the truth, other races also do have the desire to live with white people and escape their own race.


Really. You don't think perhaps escaping political, religious, and ethnic persecution, poverty, and a basic lack of human rights in many Third World countries might have something to do with it? Are you sure they wanna live 'with white people'? Maybe they want to live in countries with fucking courts and charters of human rights?

All western countries encourage their citizens to procreate by means of tax deductions, free child-care and so forth.


Yeah true.


Think before you put your foot in your mouth.

Nobody's forcing anyone to have children with non-white immigrants.


Doesnt even matter. If we keep accepting immigrants white people will no longer exist. Already they are doomed indeed, to grow up with each other, fall in love with each other and have chidlren with each other.


Of course it matters. White people becoming the largest minority instead of the majority, 49% instead of 67%, doesn't mean white people are disappearing, it means first-generation immigrants tend to have more children (WITH EACH OTHER) after which their birth rate stabilizes at the same rate as the general population, since birth rate has everything to do with education and income.

Just fuck a white woman and have white babies if it's so fucking important to you and shut the fuck up and let the rest of us do exactly what we want. If you're so into racial homogeneity and oppressive laws move to Russia.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:28 am

Let me expose your ignorance

Dead Prez Dem Crazy Lyrics:
The police is the enemy


don't believe everything you hear. The idea that black people harbor hatred towards whites is true, because white people hurt them in a truely racist way. But an understanding person, not always a black person, but why not can see atleast some things to forgive white people about.

They can understand that their were heathens to the christians, and because they had never received the word of jesus they were seen to be devil spawn. Thus they didnt mind making the devil spawn into slaves. A black person would be able to understand how the white person felt when he saw the world outside of christiandom in the costant grasp of darkness, the humans there doomed to be tools of satan and had no christian soul.

However black people in america while they were slaves, they wanted to stay with the white americans. If they hated them so much why didnt they go back to africa? Because they didnt want to go live with black people, because their skin is too black.

Black people have alot of things to be thankful for to the white man. Like technolegy and white society where they can live in paradise. Every black man on this planet loves white people because of this.

So those songs are just a fastasy, and a joke to cover up the truth, or a social shroad to give the picture of black people as proud and inderpendant. It's easy for them to blame everything on white people.

But every black man on this planet knows that we were all BORN human and had an equal chance. Black people only have themselves to blame for everything that happened to them.

Ofcourse here comes in the white mans great sin where he took advantage of the poor savages. And no doubt it was very racist. But not alll racist. There were unracist reasons for making black people into slaves.

But black people are happy they got made into slaves. Those that did knew that white society was a vicious place where people tried to make money any way they could and that their only way into this society was by becoming a slave. What would white people want with a bunch of black savages other then to make them into slaves? How else could this happen? White society looked down on kindness and charity and prefered people to prove themselves useful.

No doubt some black people would of been excited as they got wisked away in their slave ship to go living in white society and away from everyday normal black tribal life.

am not scared of race. I see race as a social construct, skin colour as inconsequential, and class differences as the cause of different levels of crime within and between communities. I've lived for four years in China and two years in Pakistan, and believe me, I ain't afraid of people who don't look like me. If anything I'm more afraid of people who DO.


You are exposeing your fear of race right here.

I see race as a social construct


Why would someone say something that bullshit if they wernt scared of race? Asian people are asian man. They are. Black people are black.

skin colour as inconsequential


Black people dont want to form their own civilisation because their SKIN is too black. That and their faces or seomthing.

If anything I'm more afraid of people who DO.


Yeah hateing white people is a good thing for an anarchist to do. Doesnt make much sense though. White people have contributed more happiness to this world then any race. In my eyes anyway. What with our productive society and such.

Really. You don't think perhaps escaping political, religious, and ethnic persecution, poverty, and a basic lack of human rights in many Third World countries might have something to do with it? Are you sure they wanna live 'with white people'? Maybe they want to live in countries with fucking courts and charters of human rights?


Sure it has something to do with it, plus they get to live with white people like they always wanted to.

Of course it matters. White people becoming the largest minority instead of the majority, 49% instead of 67%, doesn't mean white people are disappearing, it means first-generation immigrants tend to have more children (WITH EACH OTHER) after which their birth rate stabilizes at the same rate as the general population, since birth rate has everything to do with education and income.


Ok. i enjoy your optimism. But the rest of the world isnt a nice place to live mostly because of the terrain, especially the middle east which is ofcourse mostly yellow desert. So people are going to keep coming over here from there. Our chances of survival are very small i think. Give it another 300 years i think. Thats plenty of time to have lots of good lives. I really do like this multi-racial society, its lots of fun but i think its immoral. Ever heard of the zero birth rate, the shrinking population? Thats why they get immigrants over here, to replace white people. Soon we'll all be replaced and those that arent will mix with each other.

A small effort needs to be made so we can keep it going alittle while longer. Thats all.

Just fuck a white woman and have white babies if it's so fucking important to you and shut the fuck up and let the rest of us do exactly what we want. If you're so into racial homogeneity and oppressive laws move to Russia.


I'll give it a shot if i want children. Well i'll let people make up their own mind i'll just say my bit. Those russians are psychos, seems violent like the place i'm from.

Ok.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:36 am

Asian people have boring faces.

White people have exciteing faces.

We want less of asian and more of white!

Thats what you're scared of!
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Jawn Disease » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:23 am

This is getting so fucked up I was originally just going to call it quits but for some reason I'm feeling compelled to continue this stupid stupid fucking discussion.

Insecuritykiller wrote:
don't believe everything you hear. The idea that black people harbor hatred towards whites is true, because white people hurt them in a truely racist way. But an understanding person, not always a black person, but why not can see atleast some things to forgive white people about.


Seeing some things to forgive white people for is a reason for oppressed minorities not to be afraid of white cops, white businessmen and white leaders? What?

They can understand that their were heathens to the christians, and because they had never received the word of jesus they were seen to be devil spawn. Thus they didnt mind making the devil spawn into slaves. A black person would be able to understand how the white person felt when he saw the world outside of christiandom in the costant grasp of darkness, the humans there doomed to be tools of satan and had no christian soul.


The fact that they had different religions doesn't make it right. Of course, OF COURSE, anyone can UNDERSTAND that the so-called Christians of the age saw others as heathens. What does that prove? Only that these people, who had 'received the word of Jesus', had carefully payed absolutely no attention to it. Also, it might be interesting for you to hear that Europeans had no qualms about enslaving white Christians too. My ancestors were Irish slaves brought to Canada against their will, although they called them indentured servants. The other half of my family were French slaves brought to Canada against their will, although they called them 'les filles du Roi' (the daughters of the king), who were prostitutes, orphans and the homeless sent to the New World to be the wives of other French slaves brought to Canada against their will, although they called them good pious peasants.

However black people in america while they were slaves, they wanted to stay with the white americans. If they hated them so much why didnt they go back to africa? Because they didnt want to go live with black people, because their skin is too black.


The vast majority of them didn't go back to Africa because: they were born in America. They weren't Africans. They were disenfranchised, oppressed, non-citizens living in the United States with black skin. Also, they had no money. Some of them did go back to Africa, and founded Liberia. Obviously, however, the people who already lived in Liberia weren't terribly happy about a bunch of people getting off a boat with guns and claiming their land as their own, and it led to a very bloody couple hundred years.

Black people have alot of things to be thankful for to the white man. Like technolegy and white society where they can live in paradise. Every black man on this planet loves white people because of this.


Yeaaaaaahhhh because white society was such paradise! Are you retarded? Read some history, son! The technology you're talking about was used pretty much exclusively for murdering people up until very very recently, when it became used for murdering people and also helping people out, as a result of working class people rising up and overthrowing or moderating various brutal regimes.


But every black man on this planet knows that we were all BORN human and had an equal chance. Black people only have themselves to blame for everything that happened to them.


Equal chance, eh? Actually, the reason Europeans were able to subjugate the world was due to a long, long list of accidents and coincidences. The Gulf Stream allowed Europeans to harvest grains in an otherwise totally unsuitable latitude; the harvesting of grains allowed Europeans to live in extremely overcrowded metropolises; the overcrowding resulted in brutal centralized governments giving rise to militarism, and in waves and waves of plague; the plague made survivors resistant to most diseases to a certain extent; large deposits of minerals allowed the invention of steel; the militarized societies used steel to make guns, borrowed from the Chinese via the Arabs, with which they could more easily murder one another. Africa and the Americas have vertical axes (that's the plural of axis, not a thing you chop trees with); that means that crops and pack animals developed in one area could spread to other areas in Europe, which has a horizontal axis, but could not in Africa and the Americas, because of massive differences in temperature and climate.... I can go on and on... There are very specific reasons, and they have nothing to do with the depigmentation of our skin, which, incidentally, was caused because Vitamin D deficiencies due to low levels of sunlight and a grain-based diet (allowed by the Gulf Stream) caused our ancestors to carry infantile traits (depigmentation of the skin, hair and eyes) into adulthood.

Fuck okay the rest of this shit is too retarded to comment on. Seriously read some books.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:41 am

long list of accidents and coincidences.


You are correct here.

But you are wrong about technolegy. It all began with the invention of the steam engine which led to trains and a bunch of other technolegys. Then you had new ways to make clothes and just about anything else. Then oil was discovered and the rest happened. It was nothing to do with oppressing people it was quite inderpendant of it. Though i believe it may of received some funding from the governments of the time i am sure, maybe with military presuits in mind, but such things are so worthless i dont even consider them.

Sure people lived under terrible regimes, but they still lived. And all the africans of the world today want to come and live in the west. Blame it all on white people if you like, but we are all to blame.

Whats the conclusion here? That africa should build itself into a nice place to live? And the rest of the world aswell? It doesnt matter that they're not white? Did you ever think that, Maybe... it does matter?

I want to see humanity do well and be happy as much as you do. So maybe we arent so far apart in our thinking after all. Race is apart of everything, i believe. Its an important part of life to consider and factor into things. As much as we are afraid of it.

The most important thing though, is that we start paying workers what they deserve. But yeah, this is the other issue i care about for reasons i've already listed.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Jawn Disease » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:26 am

Fuck you're stupid.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:41 am

You're stupid.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby Insecuritykiller » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:05 am

It was all for you. Damn i miss you.
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Re: The fear of race.

Postby patrickhenry » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:36 am

The fear of pigmentation? How absurd! The fear of natural languages? How ironic! The fear of culture? How ignorant!
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