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Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby Tiecuando » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:09 pm

I used to vehemently resist this philosophy, but I can't do it any longer, and I don't believe in freewill anymore. I just want to know, what changes if you're an anarchist?

Edit: Who cares if it exists, I'll make it exist!
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby variagil » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:47 pm

Yo are more able to get critic childrens, workers not lazys and overcome personal problems with a class struggle ideology.
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby Tiecuando » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:11 pm

I don't understand what you're saying, really. I wish I had Rosetta Stone, then maybe in a few months I could. Anyway, why are you following me around?
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby variagil » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:45 pm

I'm following you? Ignore me.
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby Maggot » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:53 am

I think everything changes when you become an anarchist. When you become an anarchist, you see the world from a new perspective. You get to see the state for what it really is, corporations for who they really are, and so on. I think free will plays a big role in all of this.
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby Tiecuando » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:28 pm

Come to think of it, I'm not really a determinist, I just don't believe in free will. By that I mean I don't think free will is a tangible thing, which should be obvious. But not all matter in the universe is governed by cause and effect, and all it takes is for such non-causal matter to interact with matter that is causal for an effect without a cause to happen.

(Note: I completely forgot what those non-causal particles were called. If someone presses me hard enough, I guess I'll go look them up).

Now, in certain contexts like politics for example, I will still use words like free will and spiritual and stuff like that. I believe that because things like politics are abstract, that abstract concepts like "free will" can apply.
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby vaguelyhumanoid » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:28 pm

Maggot wrote:I think everything changes when you become an anarchist. When you become an anarchist, you see the world from a new perspective. You get to see the state for what it really is, corporations for who they really are, and so on. I think free will plays a big role in all of this.


Free will doesn't have to be acausal. Nothing is acausal. I define free will as the ability to make conscious, voluntary choices. This exists regardless of whether determinism is true. I'd argue that both free will and determinism are true (compatibilism).
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Re: Is determinism compatible with anarchism?

Postby hawkins21 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:45 am

Tiecuando wrote:I used to vehemently resist this philosophy, but I can't do it any longer, and I don't believe in freewill anymore. I just want to know, what changes if you're an anarchist?

Edit: Who cares if it exists, I'll make it exist!


I agree with just about everything vaugelyhumanoid said (except with compatibilism)...This notion of free-will has to apply to anarchism (the main reason being a moral reason).

Lets take the biological deterministic approach to this issue: Biological determinist generally state two things (I'm not saying these are the only two things): One being that since all of of actions can be reduced to biological, physiological, pscho-physiological, neurological, psychological (and the list goes one) factors all of our actions can be predicted and determined before "we' as human beings are consciouly aware of them. 2) is stated that since the natural world is governed by some sort of universal law, we have no control of our actions because this is the way that evolution has shaped us. To have all of our actions pre-determined by whatever...

Now picture how this would look in anarchism. As a matter of fact picture how this would look in general. I could kill you right now and state that my actions were out of my control due to some sort of bilogical traits.

I simply believe this: The universe is random and spontanous. We as human beings have the capacity to make rational and conscious decisions. Yes we may think and sometimes act at such a fast rate (or off instincts) but for the most part we are in control of our thoughts and actions. The reason why it may seem like we have no control of our thoughts or actions maybe a way of survival (if we did not think and rationalize the way we do now imagine going hiking and a bear pops out of th bushes. If we had to sit there and debate in our minds if this is really a bear or not we would never live to see the end of our lives. If we had no control of our actions and thoughts (that would eventually consitute as actions) I for one would not consider myself and anarchist and also I do not think any society would be possible. We would eaither kill eachother at a faster rate than we do now (pretty much everytime we get upset or if our feelings are hurt)...many more murders would be justified.
Now this is not to say that "every aspect of our life is in our control". I mean I cannot control my heart beat or blood flow..when we are talking about free-will we are talking about thoughts and actions...
Besides if there was no free-will there is no value to our lives...
so the answer to your question is no because without it there would be no use for morality

good question though
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