Re: oppression in your own anarchist groups

[Guest]

White males dominating anarchist and activist groups is not white supremacy. Anybody who thinks otherwise is not going to be a person who is going to contribute anything positive to these groups.

I've been through this whole 'white people' thing so many times I can hardly count how many times it has come up. One thing that has to be said up front is that there are some "white" activists who are certainly pure of heart and purpose. I have had the priviledge of working with many of them. Sadly, they are often drowned out by the "white" activists who don't "get it" and continue with the same old tired leninist bullshit about how 'anyone who thinks differently is truly a counterrevolutionary. '

(In Greece, where race is less of an issue since the society is far more homogeneous, I noticed that a lot of "anarchists" were still stuck in the "woman! go get us men some beers!" mentality.)

I agree, however, that women and 'people of color' should refrain from whining about groups which are white-dominated and instead should organize on their own. Inevitably, some 'white' people will complain (and try to crash your APOC conference of whatever, as if they've nothing better to do in this world...) but this is just part of the equation. If we let our voices be heard within those white-dominated groups, we are inevitably told we are "angry," "irrational," "too mired in identity politics," or, of course, "counterrevolutionary."

I think that one of the issues that makes this hard is that the visibility of revolutionary 'people of color' is extremely low. When I worked with almost-exclusively white anarhcist groups we (and I in pariticular) were subjected to a nonstop barrage of criticism from 'people of color' groups. However, those groups were not anarchist nor revolutionary; they were in fact a bunch of people who wanted to attain a higher status within the status quo. When you REALLY looked at the criticism it was no different than the criticisms coming from all sorts of 'liberal' organizations.

"White supremacy" and patriarchy are elements of our societies. If you think that you woke up one day and were suddenly unaffected by these incredibly strong social memes, you are kidding yourself. It takes WORK to overcome your programming - and this applies to white males as well as to women and 'people of color.'

[Anarchism's Undertaker]

Nothing is more tedious than the left's endless prattle about "race" and their pretence that it is a figment of the right wing imagination.

The academic, in between examining his penis with a magnifying glass and endlessly rehashing the juvenile musings of his great unpublished novel will call out endlessly that all and sundry are "racists" for suggesting there is relativity between different ethnic backgrounds.

Of course the academic has no interest in the issue other than to prove himself more caring and open-minded than others, and therefore diametrically opposed to conservatives.

[Pomegranate]

you're right about one thing...conservatives are rarely academic.

nobody denies there are differences in race. your conservative assertions that white people are bred to be more intelligent than the others is, however, nonsense.

[Anarchism's Undertaker]

You're right - there is nothing academic about conservatives. That's why they get things done.

There is no more controlling group in society than academics. Not only do they want to direct activity according to discredited theories, they also want to tell you what to believe and think.

[Pomegranate]

you're the only one here trying to tell people what to believe and think.

and your humorous lack of logic proves to us all, in an overstated manner, that you aren't academic. it's funny to read how proud you are to be anti-education, however.

Academia is a collective term for the scientific and cultural community engaged in higher education and peer-reviewed research, taken as a whole.

gotta hate that peer-reviewed research! it leads to libruls!!

k-mart hillbilly, ignorant and loud
here to prey on us, a bully and you're proud
redneck mean and lean, fucking with our scene
you ruined another night, people bloody from your fights

[Anarchism's Undertaker]

I don't recall demanding you do what I say. Somehow I think you've already made up your mind.

What are your plans, come the revolution, for the K-Mart Hillbillies and the mindless masses who don't see things as clearly as you do? Shoot 'em all for their own good?

Your opinions on the academic vermin is as naive as your political views.
I'm not anti-eductaion, I'm against education being hijacked by a bunch of z-graders who can't cut it in the real world and deciding who is and isn't part of the club.

There is no more worthless and controlling heirachy than the academic parasites. A laborer on a building site achieves more in a morning than a dozen academics do in a year.

[MilitancyFetish]

Somehow I think you've already made up your mind.

Well, I've certainly made up my mind that <i>you're</i> not going to be the person who's going to change it.

What are your plans, come the revolution, for the K-Mart Hillbillies and the mindless masses who don't see things as clearly as you do? Shoot 'em all for their own good?

Well that would certainly be the logical solution, now wouldn't it.

I'm not anti-eductaion, I'm against education being hijacked by a bunch of z-graders who can't cut it in the real world and deciding who is and isn't part of the club.

Me too. Unlike you, however, I don't lump everyone who disagrees with me into this category in order to provide me with a convenient excuse for dismissing them.

A laborer on a building site achieves more in a morning than a dozen academics do in a year.

THe two are engaged in such radically different pursuits that there isn't really a basis for comparing them. It's like trying to compare apples and oranges.

[Blomacovidoxian]

A laborer on a building site achieves more in a morning than a dozen academics do in a year.

THe two are engaged in such radically different pursuits that there isn't really a basis for comparing them. It's like trying to compare apples and oranges.[/quote]

I love these kinds of equivocations. Achieves more of what? Bricklaying? My god, you might be right.

[MilitancyFetish]

LMAO!

[AndyMalroes]

Why would we shoot you? You obviously don't understand what you are arguing about.
Anarchists have never said everyone has to agree with them. You can be put into wage slavery if you want we don't care! But the only people stupid enough to subject themselves to this are the managers and bosses. HAVE FUN HAVING NO ONE TO MANAGE!

P.S If you don't like anarchism and know we have made up our minds why try to change them with your bullshit! Get off the forum!