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Anarchy - an excuse for vandalism

Postby Middle Class Values » Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:15 am

Recently we visited a wonderful amusement park. Everything was exceptionally nice and the children had a tremendous time.

The distinct down-side of the outing was our trip home on public transport. We thought catching a train was a useful contribution to the greenhouse problem. I was shocked to see the appalling graffiti and filth which covered the train. Chief amongst the symbols scrawled upon this public asset was the foul anarchist "A" symbol I recall with much disgust from my university days.

This sort of vandalism is a blight on the landscape and has serious consequences for residential property values and the greehouse effect. Next time I will be driving the BMW and keeping the doors locked at all times.
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Postby Pomegranate » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:06 am

you're such a moron, i didn't even read this.

anyone else ready for a firewall rule for the incredibly inept troll?
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Postby tedster » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:26 am

You didn't miss much. It was so stupid that the excuse wasn't even about anarchism.
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Postby MilitancyFetish » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:03 pm

Pomegranate wrote:you're such a moron, i didn't even read this.

anyone else ready for a firewall rule for the incredibly inept troll?


It doesn't really bother me all that much. I have no ethical objections though. It can be fun to get him riled up. All you have to do is say something like "fuck morality" or "yay for vandalism!"
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Postby tedster » Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:06 pm

MilitancyFetish wrote:
It doesn't really bother me all that much. I have no ethical objections though. It can be fun to get him riled up. All you have to do is say something like "fuck morality" or "yay for vandalism!"


I don't even know why he bothers waisting time with this forum. Definelty somebody who is easily entertained with lots of time on his hands.

He definetley isn't going to get a BMW with the way he thinks about things.
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Postby Yuda » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:19 pm

tedster wrote:
MilitancyFetish wrote:
It doesn't really bother me all that much. I have no ethical objections though. It can be fun to get him riled up. All you have to do is say something like "fuck morality" or "yay for vandalism!"


I don't even know why he bothers waisting time with this forum. Definelty somebody who is easily entertained with lots of time on his hands.

He definetley isn't going to get a BMW with the way he thinks about things.


.....and if he does some fucker will probably key it anyway :lol:
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Postby tedster » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:25 am

Yuda wrote:
tedster wrote:
MilitancyFetish wrote:
It doesn't really bother me all that much. I have no ethical objections though. It can be fun to get him riled up. All you have to do is say something like "fuck morality" or "yay for vandalism!"


I don't even know why he bothers waisting time with this forum. Definelty somebody who is easily entertained with lots of time on his hands.

He definetley isn't going to get a BMW with the way he thinks about things.


.....and if he does some fucker will probably key it anyway :lol:

…and he will deserve it. :D
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Postby Guest » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:22 pm

let's get real colin.... you don't have kids.
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Postby Lucifer » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:11 am

Vandals.

In order to create the New World, the old world will have to be torn down.

Vandals destroy, but do not rebuild; they have a critique of Capitalism but no counterproposal.

Political Anarchists.

Frankly in my experience, most of the Anarchists in London are educated Communist political intellectuals of mostly middle class origins who want to see a world of economic equality where there is no human suffering caused by poverty and who have given up on Marxist state Capitalism, since we can study its history and deduce that it always seems to turn into an Orwellian 'Animal Farm' with a police state who use anti-Capitalist slogans to justify their power. Their Anarchism is the traditional Communist Anarchism of Proudhon and Bakunin.

The 'fuck off' variety. The Vandal.

Of course there is another form of Anarchist, who listens to punk rock music and who probably thinks that the Sex Pistols were Anarchists and that a Zapatista is a fan of Frank Zappa and who defines his / herself as an Anarchist, and whose expression of Anarchism is to tell everyone who does go along with their punk fashion statement to 'fuck off.'

Such persons whose answer to everything and anything is 'fuck off' are usually also in rebellion against political Anarchists, and frankly the 'fuck off' variety in London collectives (squats) usually get thrown out in the street where they belong, since community life involves a certain degree of selflessness, sharing and community spirit (i.e., 'love') and the 'fuck off' variety are usually the definition of 'selfish parasites.'

Unfortunately such morons get the most publiclity by the Mi6 infiltrated media and this becomes a public defintion of what an Anarchist is.

I have in my lifetime, in certain periods been one of London's foremaost 'vandals,' but I at least deface police stations, police cars and public buildings only with wallpaper paste and political posters (I have considered epoxy resin but they would probably imprison me for that) which most of the 'punks' and the 'fuck off' variety of pseudo Anarchists are probably too illiterate or too drunk to read.

'Fuck off' in political debate is not an argument; it is usually a sign that the person has the inability to construct an argument and it denotes conceding the point to the opponent. The 'fuck off' variety of Anarchists are not Anarchists.

Frankly most genuine political Anarchists are the most loving and caring people you could possibly meet. Love protects its own. Love has militant hatred towards the oppressors of those you love.

Shame.

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Re: Anarchy - an excuse for vandalism

Postby The_Builder » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:28 pm

Middle Class Values wrote:Recently we visited a wonderful amusement park. Everything was exceptionally nice and the children had a tremendous time.

The distinct down-side of the outing was our trip home on public transport. We thought catching a train was a useful contribution to the greenhouse problem. I was shocked to see the appalling graffiti and filth which covered the train. Chief amongst the symbols scrawled upon this public asset was the foul anarchist "A" symbol I recall with much disgust from my university days.

This sort of vandalism is a blight on the landscape and has serious consequences for residential property values and the greehouse effect. Next time I will be driving the BMW and keeping the doors locked at all times.


I like this one
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Postby Guest » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:33 pm

What on earth do some people have against the Vandal people?
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Re: Anarchy - an excuse for vandalism

Postby AndyMalroes » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:52 am

Leave the Vikings alone!
How long do you think we can have a free and democratic society if we insist on maintaining totalitarian systems in our companies? We must have freedom for individuals and organizations to grow and to realize their potentials.
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Postby Dimitri » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:07 am

Guest wrote:What on earth do some people have against the Vandal people?

Nothing personal, but as someone pointed out: they destroy but don't build up.
Good anarchism would be destroying everything and rebuilding it to make it better. Vandal Anarchism is small crime nutjobs without a brain trying to "get an attitude". I spit on it, scum of society and should be erased from existance.

An anarchist SHOULD be capable of getting his point across in a decent way if he/she get's the chance to. Most anarchists nowadays are frustrated teens, man in their mid-life crisis, trying to have an attitude and look "bad-ass".

Anarchism needs a decent structure to make it lasting and succesfull. Small crime vandalism is a one-time part. It would be more succesfull if everything is organised and each day a whole city is being "repainted". Making the "big-ones" notice something is at hands. Structural-chaos is a keyword.
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Re: Anarchy - an excuse for vandalism

Postby AndyMalroes » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:30 am

So you propose large scale vandalism?

I like the idea, oh wait! Isn't that a riot?
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Re: Anarchy - an excuse for vandalism

Postby Dimitri » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:03 am

AndyMalroes wrote:So you propose large scale vandalism?

I like the idea, oh wait! Isn't that a riot?

Most revolutions start that way.. You can always argue and try to get your point across.. but sometimes taking up arms makes decisions happen faster.
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