Hostility

[ambi]

over here we hate the israelis (and think they're creepy)- but the palestinians are pathetic scum.

apple and oranges. adult "israelis" choose to be "israelis" and accept zionism, which is a doctrine of racial supremacy, by definition. palestinians are born palestinians and can't stop being palestinians even if they wanted to.

as for being "pathetic," i doubt you will find a more resilient people on planet earth. despite being abandoned or exploited by nearly every power on earth, despite being blamed for ridiculous false flag operations like the achille lauro and entebbe, despite being nearly universally portrayed as the bad guys the zio-corporate media, they live and they continue to kill and resist fucking israelis, an honorable and imperative task the whole world should be taking on.

and as for "scum" you will find the worst scum on the planet on threadneedle street in london.

[Yarrow]

unfortunately i chose my words poorly. the israelis are portrayed in britmedia quietly- we hear little about them, and they come across as shadowy. the palestinians get a lot of coverage, all negative. they are showed to be weak and vindictive.

[stonesolid]

EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!! you are ALL creating rules for others, and if it was up to you guys, america would end up worse than where it is!!
1) anarchy is NOT about peace and love-those are rules and ergo government. anti-anarchy
2)ur obviously for mccain if not obama, and vice-versa, therefore supporting government. anti-anarchy.

u guys are just a bunch of posers who have no balls to actually do anything about government. ANTI-ANARCHY!!!!!! dont EVER call urselves anarchists.

[Bodhisattva]

EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!! you are ALL creating rules for others, and if it was up to you guys, america would end up worse than where it is!!
1) anarchy is NOT about peace and love-those are rules and ergo government. anti-anarchy
2)ur obviously for mccain if not obama, and vice-versa, therefore supporting government. anti-anarchy.

u guys are just a bunch of posers who have no balls to actually do anything about government. ANTI-ANARCHY!!!!!! dont EVER call urselves anarchists.

Wow, bringing back a dead post...

First off, "archy" or "archism" are the proper terms for a system of rules. I don't wanna critique your use of "anti-anarchy", but I thought it might be useful.

Anarchism is about free choice. Many of us naturally want to be peaceful and loving. Humans are social creatures, and the associated concepts of "peace" and "love" work extremely well in a society, if I might say so. I won't force people to be peaceful or loving, no do I want to punish them. In fact, I was extremely against the execution of Saddam Hussein. Not only was it disrespectful towards a sentient lifeform, it also just encouraged the perpetuation of violence. Violence ALWAYS perpetuates more violence, the way I see it.

Secondly, please let us know how these old posts were pro-government. All I see is a dialogue on how people feel about mass murder, the manipulation of world government by special interest groups, and such. Nothing about Obama or McCaine.

As if there is any difference between the two.

And for the record, I voted for Obama... and I feel extremely bad about it.

[Zazaban]

Also, assuming everyone here is american is going to make a really good impression.

[Garnier]

I was extremely against the execution of Saddam Hussein. Not only was it disrespectful towards a sentient lifeform, it also just encouraged the perpetuation of violence. Violence ALWAYS perpetuates more violence, the way I see it.

I couldn't help laughing at this paralel between Sadam and sentient lifeform hahaha
That sort of lifeform is in the same league as Yerisinia Pestis or the HIV virus.
Viruses and bacterias are also lifeforms.
Don't get me wrong, Bush is the same league of mass murderes as Sadam, but i don't think world has lost any value with the hanging of that butcher.
What about Hitler,Stallin,Mao,Pol Pot,Somoza,Ceausescu,Idi Amin,Bokassa,Pavelic,Mussolini & other sentient lifeforms (hahahhhaaaaaaaaa) that caused more deaths and violence than some very dreadfull illnesses - combined.

Do u think twice about killing germs?
Compassion is good, but too much compassion can ALSO lead to more suffering & opression.
If Pol Pot was killed (say, Propaganda by Deed) in 1974 it would have meant that 2.2 million cambodians would miss the expirience of dying in the Killing Fields 1975-79...
Sometimes taking out several psychipatic mass murderes saves a great deal of suffering of many people...

[Noleaders]

I was extremely against the execution of Saddam Hussein. Not only was it disrespectful towards a sentient lifeform, it also just encouraged the perpetuation of violence. Violence ALWAYS perpetuates more violence, the way I see it.

I couldn't help laughing at this paralel between Sadam and sentient lifeform hahaha
That sort of lifeform is in the same league as Yerisinia Pestis or the HIV virus.
Viruses and bacterias are also lifeforms.
Don't get me wrong, Bush is the same league of mass murderes as Sadam, but i don't think world has lost any value with the hanging of that butcher.
What about Hitler,Stallin,Mao,Pol Pot,Somoza,Ceausescu,Idi Amin,Bokassa,Pavelic,Mussolini & other sentient lifeforms (hahahhhaaaaaaaaa) that caused more deaths and violence than some very dreadfull illnesses - combined.

Do u think twice about killing germs?
Compassion is good, but too much compassion can ALSO lead to more suffering & opression.
If Pol Pot was killed (say, Propaganda by Deed) in 1974 it would have meant that 2.2 million cambodians would miss the expirience of dying in the Killing Fields 1975-79...
Sometimes taking out several psychipatic mass murderes saves a great deal of suffering of many people...

absolutely, if someones gonna violate others rights and freedoms to such a degree then why should we care what happens to them?

[Zazaban]

I was extremely against the execution of Saddam Hussein. Not only was it disrespectful towards a sentient lifeform, it also just encouraged the perpetuation of violence. Violence ALWAYS perpetuates more violence, the way I see it.

I couldn't help laughing at this paralel between Sadam and sentient lifeform hahaha
That sort of lifeform is in the same league as Yerisinia Pestis or the HIV virus.
Viruses and bacterias are also lifeforms.
Don't get me wrong, Bush is the same league of mass murderes as Sadam, but i don't think world has lost any value with the hanging of that butcher.
What about Hitler,Stallin,Mao,Pol Pot,Somoza,Ceausescu,Idi Amin,Bokassa,Pavelic,Mussolini & other sentient lifeforms (hahahhhaaaaaaaaa) that caused more deaths and violence than some very dreadfull illnesses - combined.

Do u think twice about killing germs?
Compassion is good, but too much compassion can ALSO lead to more suffering & opression.
If Pol Pot was killed (say, Propaganda by Deed) in 1974 it would have meant that 2.2 million cambodians would miss the expirience of dying in the Killing Fields 1975-79...
Sometimes taking out several psychipatic mass murderes saves a great deal of suffering of many people...

absolutely, if someones gonna violate others rights and freedoms to such a degree then why should we care what happens to them?

We should care, we should care very much and make sure what happens involves falling into a wood chipper.

[Bodhisattva]

I couldn't help laughing at this paralel between Sadam and sentient lifeform hahaha
That sort of lifeform is in the same league as Yerisinia Pestis or the HIV virus.
Viruses and bacterias are also lifeforms.
Don't get me wrong, Bush is the same league of mass murderes as Sadam, but i don't think world has lost any value with the hanging of that butcher.
What about Hitler,Stallin,Mao,Pol Pot,Somoza,Ceausescu,Idi Amin,Bokassa,Pavelic,Mussolini & other sentient lifeforms (hahahhhaaaaaaaaa) that caused more deaths and violence than some very dreadfull illnesses - combined.

Do u think twice about killing germs?
Compassion is good, but too much compassion can ALSO lead to more suffering & opression.
If Pol Pot was killed (say, Propaganda by Deed) in 1974 it would have meant that 2.2 million cambodians would miss the expirience of dying in the Killing Fields 1975-79...
Sometimes taking out several psychipatic mass murderes saves a great deal of suffering of many people...

I agree that these people committed horrendous tragedies, but I'm concerned with the bigger picture as well. If violence creates more violence, then what is answer to this whole fucking mess? That's my criticism of propaganda by deed and other theories that only violence can bring revolution, because in the end, it's more of the same old shit. What difference does it make to a little boy if government goons or revolutionary anarchists bomb the hospital he is in? What difference is there when either the goons or a few asshole anarchists decide it would be nice to rape his mother while they're at it? You see, history has taught us that even the "good guys" rape and steal. Again, violence breeding violence...

And in the end, I think a greater victory would be to see a sociopath treated medically and rehabilitated than brought to justice using mob rule or the pathetically corrupt justice system the world's nations employ.

absolutely, if someones gonna violate others rights and freedoms to such a degree then why should we care what happens to them?

Because if we can break the cycle of hate and ignorance, something marvelous happens. I don't know about you, but I'd love to live in a world where I'm willing to use science and compassion to rid the need to resort to barbaric and archaic practices to see "justice." The death penalty and imprisonment does not work.

Rehabilitation does.

[Guest]

there would be no saddam if the people of iraq hadn't tolerated him in the first place. that's why it's ok that clinton killed more than a million of them or that bush I and II bombed them. don't you remember when the iraqi soldiers invaded kuwait and ruthlessly threw BABIES out of incubators?

it's ridiculous to equate iraqis with sentient life...

[Noleaders]

The death penalty and imprisonment does not work.

Rehabilitation does

Does it? Besides i actually support the victim being compensated by the agressor. Makes more sense than any other system.

it's ridiculous to equate iraqis with sentient life...

...Fail...

[Zazaban]

there would be no saddam if the people of iraq hadn't tolerated him in the first place. that's why it's ok that clinton killed more than a million of them or that bush I and II bombed them. don't you remember when the iraqi soldiers invaded kuwait and ruthlessly threw BABIES out of incubators?

it's ridiculous to equate iraqis with sentient life...

Collective guilt is a logical fallacy, thank you very much.

[Bodhisattva]

I've got nothing against recompense after rehabilitation, since then the individual might possess the cognitive ability to understand what he or she has done and might want to offer some means of payment.

But it's pointless to punish an individual who doesn't possess the ability to understand what he did was wrong. Even Hitler thought he was doing the right thing, in his own twisted mind.

[Zazaban]

But it's pointless to punish an individual who doesn't possess the ability to understand what he did was wrong. Even Hitler thought he was doing the right thing, in his own twisted mind.

He also thought that he was descended from Atlanteans, and that demons were attacking him in the night.

[Bodhisattva]

And Stalin wanted to crossbreed humans with the great apes to create supersoldiers..