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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby |Y| » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:20 pm

Now that I can agree with.

- Sisko has had a job since he was 15
- Sisko was captain of the Academy wrestling team
- Sisko was a veteran of the Borg and Tzenkethi wars
- Sisko commands a space station on border with 2 hostile alien races
- Sisko makes first contact with godlike entities, and is made their emissary
- Sisko helps design what would later become the Defiant
- Sisko commands starfleets first battleship
- Sisko is a successful single father
- Sisko leads a successful campaign in the most brutal war starfleet has faced
- Sisko goes back in time and replaces one of history's most important figures
- Sisko puts himself BACK IN THE HEAT TORTURE BOX to prove a point
- Sisko tells people, his own crew, and his superior officers when they are being morons
- Sisko plays baseball, the american pasttime
- Sisko leaves his baseball behind when DS9 is evacuated, to say he will be returning
- Sisko sponsors the first ferengi to join starfleet
- Sisko was willing to collapse the wormhole to stop the dominion from gaining a foothold
- Sisko saves the terran alliance, and his wife, in another dimension
- Sisko defies direct orders to save one of his crew
- Sisko has facial hair
- Sisko used a solar sail ship to traverse the stars
- Sisko is possessed by an evil trill host, and beats him back
- Sisko is O'Brien's favorite captain
- Sisko nearly destroys the defiant to stop a potential war
- Sisko threatens to fire on allied ships to prove a point
- Sisko isn't bothered by the fact that he gets an allied commander executed
- Sisko subverts an invasion by an ally against direct orders
- Sisko fires the first federation shots in the new Klingon conflict
- Sisko blows the fuck out of a klingon fleet, and wins their surrender
- Sisko kills klingons in close quarters battle
- Sisko knows how to use a batleth
- Sisko convinces Worf to stay in starfleet
- Sisko is not afraid of commitment
- Sisko is the best friend Dax has ever had in 7 lifetimes
- Sisko destroys the earth in the holosuite
- Sisko is made head of Earth security
- Sisko uncovers and prevents a military coup in starfleet
- Sisko threatens to bring Worf up on charges for his extra-starfleet activities
- Sisko sleeps with the alternate Dax
- Sisko leads the alternate Defiant in victorious battle against the Alliance fleet
- Sisko has his own girlfriend arrested as a traitor
- Sisko is forgiving, and still loves her despite her crimes
- Sisko leads a joint Federation and Jem'Hadar strike against superior forces
- Sisko furnishes Quark's bar after he is stripped of all his assets
- Sisko takes the Defiant deep into enemy territory to seek help for one of his men
- Sisko successfully infiltrates the Klingon Empire's most heavily guarded base
- Sisko goes back in time to save Kirk
- Sisko ignores temporal regulations to meet Kirk
- Sisko finds the ancient Bajoran city of Bahala
- Sisko takes a disabled Defiant into victorious battle
- Sisko renders an entire planet uninhabitable to flush out the Maquis
- Sisko captures the elusive Eddington
- Sisko recovers a damaged Jem'Hadar ship
- Sisko convinces the Klingons to re-sign the Kitimer Accords
- Sisko unveils a Dominion plot to cripple the Alpha quadrant before an invasion
- Sisko arranges for Bashir to retain his commission despite his genetic engineering
- Sisko mines the wormhole and sabotages DS9
- Sisko disables a federation ship to continue a mission
- Sisko destroys a ketrecel white facility deep in dominion territory
- Sisko gives the Jem'Hadar a proper burial out of respect
- Sisko is made 2nd in command of the war effort
- Sisko attacks the Dominion fleet to retake DS9
- Sisko convinces the Prophets to annihilate the Dominion reenforcements
- Sisko retakes DS9
- Sisko goes through the marriage ritual with Worf
- Sisko convinces Dax to grow up and marry Worf
- Sisko refuses surrender, and demands the Federation go down fighting
- Sisko and Garak arrange for the Romulans to join the war
- Sisko receives military honors for his actions in the Dominion War
- Sisko plans a successful attack on the Chintaka system
- Sisko was engineered by the prophets
- Sisko holds AR-558

Punches:
- People in the past
- People in alternate dimensions
- People in another quadrant of space
- People in visions
- Klingons
- A Starfleet Ambassador
- Gul Dukat
- Bashir
- O'Brien
- Dax
- Garak
- Odo
- Cardassians
- Vedic Barial
- Eddington
- Jem'Hadar
- Q
(I would reckon sisko has punched the most alien races out of any captain, though kirk may have beaten him if his series went 7 seasons as well)


http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416859

Just one of the many Sisko is awesome lists.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby frankzappa » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:31 am

Although I am impressed you are developing your use of referencing, I am sure the subject of your posts would be more appropriate elsewhere.

I can only apologise of your behalf to those who have contined to read, and are prepared to keep an open mind regarding the nature of the topics under discussion.

More information regarding the ancient nature of man (and troglodytes) can be found in the following broadcasts:

August 30th, 2006
Topics include: A Look in the Mirror, Communal Living (Tribal), Producer-consumer, Evolution, Ages and Stages, Platonic Year, Rite of Perfection, Rob Roy, Blood Sacrifice, Coin, Moloch, Earth Worship, "Just Doing My Job"
Listen / Download

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audi ... 006_16.mp3

August 31, 2004
Jackie reads an anonymous email "A Different Perspective". Discussed the origins of the bloodlines of the royal dynasties and aristocracies, worship of an eugenics program, origins of the Pharaohs of Egypt.
Greeks spoke about troglodytes. The Old Testament called these troglodytes the Horites, who lived in mountains and caves in the north of Israel where the tribe of Manasseh interbred with them and whose offspring were very fierce and warlike. The symbol of the tribe of Manasseh was the eagle holding arrows in one talon and an olive branch in the other.
Origins of the races, the allegory of "Plato's Cave", concepts of time and space, reasons for war, original date of The Plan, and much more.

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audio/083104.mp3
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby Zazaban » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:57 am

Wait, you're not telling us Sisko is a freemason? I'm quite surprised.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby |Y| » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:10 pm

frankzappa, if spartacus isn't immune from OT banter in his threads I see absolutely no reason why you should be, sorry.

And I think there was an episode of DS9 inspired by a freemason based story. :lol:

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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby Zazaban » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:32 pm

You know what, let's be kind and have semi-on topic banter.
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What'cha all think of Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar? I've seen it in the store, and I'm thinking of getting it. Is it any good? (as if anything by FZ isn't)
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby |Y| » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:39 am

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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby frankzappa » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:22 am

I would suggest that if you want to discuss the cds you want to buy you use another forum.
Zappas 'guitar' (not shutupandplayyourguitar) album contains many of his best solos including 'that ol gminor thing' which I have included a link to here (strictly for entertainment purposes).


Zappa- That Ol' G Minor Thing
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h5-ZMGwupSc

Also a live performance of 'I'm the slime'

I'm The Slime- Frank Zappa Live 1976
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-66FJ_Tdh-c

30 seconds into this video (make me laugh) zappa can be clearly seen giving masonic 'baphomet' hand signal.

Zappa on Make Me Laugh 30 secs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNnRJny9j4

On hour 2 of this broadcast detailed below (Dec. 20, 2008) Alan Watt talks about science fiction Programming and its purpose of fascinating the masses, he also mentions the Star Trek series, Gene Roddenberry and NASA.


Dec. 20, 2008
Alan Watt on "The Information Corner Broadcast" with Sam and Trish
(Originally Aired Dec. 20, 2008 on Dixie Broadcasting)
World Order, Takedown of U.S. and West - Melamine in Food, FDA Approval as "Protein" - Artificial Estrogens, Effeminization of Males. Tobacco, Mandated Chemical Additives - Anti-Smoking Campaign - Government Teaching "Safely" Injecting Heroin. Putting You Under Economically, Stolen Sales, Pirated Books - Death Threats. United Nations, World Tyranny, Laws - NGOs - Nick Begich, HAARP, CBC, Thought Transmission Technology - Sovietized System, Reece Commission, Ford Foundation. Club of Rome, "The First Global Revolution" book - Building Codes, Upgrades - Habitat Areas, Agenda 21 - Third-World Countries, Throwaway Products. Rote Education - Media, News, Exoteric World - Zbigniew Brzezinski - Winston Churchill, Invasion of Iraq, Oil. Reduction of "Profane" - Phthalates, Bisphenol A, Sterility. Science of Power, Study of Public - Scientific Management - Promiscuity Encouraged. Social Insurance Number, Monitoring, Medical Histories - Eugenics - Factory Towns, Voltaire, Company Store. Charles Darwin, Humans as Evolved "Animals", Materialism - C.G. Darwin, Overbreeding of "Inferior Types". UNESCO, Standardized Social Engineering - Dolly the Sheep - Bioethics, Genetics - Replacement of "Defective Genes". Raising Public Awareness - Legal Termination - Euthanasia, Holland - Mass Unemployment, Depression.
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audi ... _Hour1.mp3

Societal Changes, Public Acceptance, Compliance - Apathy Creation - Lobbying, NGOs. U.S. Military Predictions, Crisis Within, Rioting - Internal Army of Police and Military - Pulling Plug on U.S. Foundations, World Bank, United Nations - World Wisdom Council, Interfaith Religion, Consensus. New Scientific Priesthood - "Positive Discrimination" Against White Males - Benjamin Franklin, "Federation of World". Fundamentalists, Fanatics - Intolerance, Dictators - John Dewey, "Invasion from Outer Space", Ronald Reagan - Uniting Planet, Club of Rome - "Day the Earth Stood Still" movie. Science Fiction Programming - Talk Radio, Art Bell Clones, Fascination - Star Trek series, Gene Roddenberry, NASA - Occult. Planned Agenda, Cooperation Necessary - Barrel Oil Price, Doubling - No Private Transportation, UN Agenda 21. "Chip off Old Block", Altar, Masonic Ceremonies - Third-Generation Masons, Trinity, Eugenics, Selective Breeding for Offspring - Scottish Rite, Odd Fellows, Shriners, 40th Degree. Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall, Freemasonry - Technocrats - Inter-Related Dynasties - George Bush Sr. - John F. Kennedy. Economic Collapse, Interdependence - Cities, Monitoring - Integration of U.S.-Canada-Mexico Forces - NATO Policy, Containment. Exposing Agenda - Significant Work - Organization - H.G. Wells' "Open Conspiracy" - Generations Robbed, Stolen Minds - Making Decisions.
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audi ... _Hour2.mp3

Also very much worth a listen to is Alan Watt on the fraudulent nature of modern subculture, especially the 'drugs scene'

Feb 2, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk)
"Simple Simons, Secret Services and Societal Atrophy"
Crisis Creation and Obedience, A New World Order for the Age of Aquarius, Hippie Movement - Music - Drugs, Abortion, Orphanages, Birth Control Pill, BBC "Top of the Pops," Hippie Communes - Habitat Areas, Timothy Leary - CIA, Behavioural Sciences and Altered States, EMP - Electromagnetic Pulsation, Bayer - Bauer - Rothschild, Opiate Medicines of the 1800's, the Jeff Lynch Story, Special Forces, Drug Smuggling and Seizure, Iran Contra Scandal - Oliver North, Military Mind Control, Freedom Fighters, Government Authorized Cocaine Shipments to the U.S., "No Child Left Behind," War on the Public for the Agenda, SAS - Britain, Mossad, MI6, Cold War Financing, World Science Meetings - Moscow, Eugenics - Darwin Family,
Destroying the Old System to Bring in a New System, A Haze of Trivia, Effects of Ignoring the Unpleasant, Global Warming Agenda, Weather Control and Aerial Spraying, (Song: "Purple Haze" by Jimi Hendrix, "Cocaine" by Dick Justice [Circa 1920])
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - Feb 2, 2007 (Exempting Music and Literary Quotes)
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/Blur ... 022007.mp3
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby AndyMalroes » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:30 am

I stated quite clearly that Zappa wasn't only aiming at the media but the entire entertainment industry, "he was talking in first person as if he was the slime poisoning our minds with this record." (it could have been clearer but I'm not too good at puttng ideas down on paper)

"Zappa can clearly be seen giving the Masonic baphomet hand signal"
This again may originally be a Masonic symbol but these days it JUST means Rock On. Seeing as he is a musician I would say there is a larger connection between him and the latter.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby 33rd_degree » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:09 pm

Man Kills His Wife and Five Children Then Faxes Letter to TV Station that Concludes with Masonic Code Phrase; Kills Himself Minutes Before Police Arrive

http://cryptogon.com/?p=6499

January 28th, 2009

The whole case is strange, but here are the factors that I’ve noted so far:

The 911 Call

The station called police after receiving the fax, and a police dispatch center also received a call from a man who stated, “I just returned home and my whole family’s been shot.”

Masonic Reference in Note

“Oh Lord my God is there no hope for a widow’s son!”

Is There No Help for the Widow’s Son? An Underground Presidential Address by Reed C. Durham:

As predicted after the flood, a great king, named Solomon, came to power and desired to build a sacred house for the in-dwelling of the divine presence.

Solomon and his builders, the Masons, while building and excavating for the temple at Mt. Moriah, discovered the cavern and the sacred treasure.

After three attempts to obtain the treasure, they were finally successful. Those Masons were very rejoiceful upon receiving these preserved Mysteries.

But. three wicked men intervened and committed a horrible crime. They attempted to force one of the Masons, one of the faithful Masons who had discovered the treasure. Hiram Abif; or Hiram, the widow’s son, to reveal the hiding (place) and the contents of the hidden treasure.

He would not reveal his knowledge and therefore they killed him.

While being slain, Hiram. with uplifted hands, cried out, “Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow’s son?” This has since become a general Masonic distress call.

Below, take a look at the Kaiser Permanente corporate logo, placed above a Mormon Sun Stone, which is a Masonic symbol:

Twins

What are the odds that one company (Kaiser Permanente) would be involved with two profoundly freakish stories involving twins at the same time?

Besides the Lupoe situation, there’s, Birth of Octuplets Rattles Fertility Experts:

Even as the birth of octuplets at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center drew attention and applause from around the country, questions arose Tuesday about whether the mother’s doctors did enough to prevent such a risky pregnancy.

The chances that the eight babies born Monday were conceived naturally are infinitesimal, infertility specialists and doctors in maternal-fetal medicine say. Today’s reproductive experts have the tools and the know-how to avoid such high-risk pregnancies — and often try desperately to do so.

“When we see something like this in the general fertility world, it gives us the heebie-jeebies,” said Michael Tucker, a clinical embryologist in Atlanta and a leading researcher in infertility treatment. Tucker added that in his opinion, “if a medical practitioner had anything to do with it, there’s some degree of inappropriate medical therapy there.”

“You should have blown your brains out.”

That’s an interesting thing for a manager to say to an employee.

Timeline

Look at the timeline of the shootings. The first shots are heard Monday evening, but police do not show up until the next morning, after Lupoe faxes his letter and gets on the phone.

It was unclear whether Lupoe killed his family before or after the 8:25 a.m. phone calls, but neighbors reported hearing shots at about 5:30p.m. Monday and 7:30a.m. Tuesday.

Coroner’s official Ed Winter said the children might have been shot as early as 4 to 5 p.m. Monday.

Here are the related stories.

Via: Huffington Post:

A man fatally shot his wife, five young children and himself Tuesday after he faxed a note to a TV station claiming the couple had just been fired from their hospital jobs and together planned the killings as an escape for the whole family. “Why leave our children in someone else’s hands,” Ervin Lupoe wrote in a letter posted late Tuesday on the KABC-TV Web site.

The station called police after receiving the fax, and a police dispatch center also received a call from a man who stated, “I just returned home and my whole family’s been shot.”

Officers rushed to the home in Wilmington, a small community between the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, about 8:30 a.m., apparently within minutes of the killings. Officers could still smell the gunshot residue in the air.

Although the fax asserted that Ana Lupoe planning the killings of the whole family, police Lt. John Romero said Ervin Lupoe was the suspect. A revolver was found next to his body.

Ana Lupoe’s body was found in an upstairs bedroom with the bodies of the couple’s twin 2-year-old boys. The bodies of an 8-year-old girl and twin 5-year-old girls were found alongside Ervin Lupoe’s in another bedroom.

All were shot in the head, coroner’s Assistant Chief Ed Winter said.

It was the fifth mass death of a Southern California family by murder or suicide in a year. Police urged those facing tough economic times to get help rather than resort to violence.

“Today our worst fear was realized,” said Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner. “It’s just not a solution. There’s just so many ways you find alternatives to doing something so horrific and drastic as this.”

Ervin Lupoe removed three of the children from school about a week and a half ago, saying the family was moving to Kansas, the principal told KCAL-TV. Crescent Heights Elementary School Principal Cherise Pounders-Caver said nothing seemed to be troubling Lupoe at that time; she did not ask why the family was moving.

Kaiser Permanente Medical Center West Los Angeles released a statement confirming both Lupoe and his wife had worked there; both were medical technicians.

“We are deeply saddened to hear of the deaths of the Lupoe family,” it said in a statement.

In his letter, Ervin Lupoe claimed he and his wife both had been fired and that she suggested they kill themselves and their children, too. Police described the fax but did not release details.

The letter indicated that Lupoe and his wife had been under investigation for misrepresenting their employment to an outside agency in order to obtain childcare. He claimed that an administrator told the couple on Dec. 23: “You should not even had bothered to come to work today you should have blown your brains out.”

The couple complained to the human resources department and eventually were offered an apology but two days later the Lupoes were fired, according to the letter.

“They did nothing to the manager who stated such and did not attempt to assist us in the matter, knowing we have no job and five children under 8 years with no place to go. So here we are,” the note said.

At the bottom of the note, Lupoe wrote, “Oh lord, my God, is there no hope for a widow’s son?”

The Kaiser Permanente statement made no comment on the claims in Lupoe’s fax.

“It looks like they might have had grounds for his termination … it wasn’t that he was laid off as a result of the economic situation,” police Capt. Billy Hayes said.

Lupoe’s fax identified his children as Brittney, 8; 5-year-old twins Jaszmin and Jassely; and twins Benjamin and Christian, ages 2 years and 4 months.

Winter said the children were ages 2 to 8 but his agency would not release the names. He said that although the father’s family had been notified, relatives of the rest of the family had not been located.

The two-story home, much larger than its one-story neighbors, sits in front of a railroad track in Wilmington, a small community about 18 miles south of downtown. A children’s playset stood in the backyard.

On his Facebook page, Lupoe posted photographs of a daughter at karate class, and of a fancy tub and wash basins in an apparently remodeled bathroom.

Retired truck driver Jaime Solache, who lives a few doors down, said many of these newer, larger homes in the neighborhood had gone into foreclosure. The Lupoe house, which has a sign hanging above the driveway reading “The Lupoe’s Pad,” is about 6 years old, Solache said.

News of the killings sent shivers through the community, and several neighbors came to the yellow police tape to watch a steady procession of officials enter and leave the home.

“This area right here is quiet, calm,” said Armando Chacon, who lives one block north. “People like to sit out at weekends and barbecue. Other than this, no problems at all.”

In 1994, Lupoe was charged with carrying a concealed firearm but it was either dismissed or not prosecuted, court documents show.

Lupoe got a state license to work as a security guard in 1989 and a permit to carry a gun as a security guard in 1993 but both expired in 2007, said Russ Heimerich, a spokesman for the state Bureau of Security and Investigative Services.

Bob Pierce, a Long Beach attorney who represented the Lupoes in an auto accident, said the case did not involve any serious injuries and the family was expected to receive “well below $10,000,” he said.

Lupoe called Monday to find out when the money might be coming, Pierce said. Pierce told him that it might be another week or two “and he said ‘no problem.’”

The region has been shook by several recent mass murders.

On Dec. 24, a man dressed up as Santa Claus invaded a Christmas Eve party and killed his ex-wife and eight of her relatives. The man later killed himself.

In October, an unemployed financial manager despairing over extreme money problems shot and killed his wife, three children, mother-in-law and himself in their home in the Porter Ranch area of the San Fernando Valley.

In June, five members of a Turkish-American family, clad in black, were found dead in an upscale home in San Clemente. Investigators say it was apparently a suicide pact but the reason is a mystery.

More: Ervin Antonio Lupoe’s Murder-Suicide Note (Redacted)

Here is a redacted text of the letter sent to KABC-TV by Ervin Lupoe, who is believed to have killed his wife and five children at their home in Wilmington. A redacted copy of the letter was posted on the KABC-TV Web site.

“To whom it may concern:

“To start off about this tragic story, my name is Ervin Lupoe, my wife Ana Lupoe, my eldest daughter Brittney Lupoe-8yrs, my twin daughters Jaszmin, Jassely-5yrs, my twin boys Benjamin, Christian 2yrs 4mo.

“We worked at Kiaser (sic) Permanente West Los Angeles. My wife as a mammo. Tech. damn fine one ask everyone including the physicians. My new position as a Special procedural tech. My position was a fight to get, in fact had to file a grievance with the union for discrimination and HIPPA violations, then another administrator had to correct the DA (redacted) regarding the union procedures, the ADA who did this is, I truly believe is the reason, well not the whole reason, but added kindling to the fire, why we are dead, (redacted).

“Well my wife and I were being investigated for misrepresentation of our employment to an outside agency for the benefit to ourselves’s, childcare. When after we had our initial interview on Dec. 19th. It seems our fat with the company had been decided on Dec. 22nd, yet on the 23rd, I was told by my administrator, (redacted) that, `You should not even had bothered to come to work today you should have blown your brains out.’ After such admonishment from my administrator, assuming there had been a decision reached, I contacted my union rep. who stated goto HR and inform them of the incident, and to the union reps. knowledge there was no decision made.

“(redacted) the HR person handling our matter stated that there was no decision reached as of yet and that an outside agency was handling the matter. (redacted) stated to me that she had spoken to (redacted) and (redacted) concerning the statement made, but (redacted) completely denied making such a comment. I produced the names of the employees, and (redacted) reached me two days later stating (redacted) thought about the matter and did state (redacted) made the comment. Then (redacted) asked me how I would accept (redacted) apology, but not to answer just yet, think about it a couple days and let (redacted) know. I left the office and two days later my wife and I were terminated. Our administrator also stated that we would not be eligible for unemployment, my wife applied anyway.

“We returned Kiaser (sic) Permanente’s property prior to leaving the facility, yet the company could not provide us with our license’s so that we may look for other employment. I let the (redacted) of the facility know what was occurring yet she stated there was nothing she could do but refer us the HR or our union rep. We were told by (redacted) that we should have received our license’s as they were mailed, yet we did not and when we attempted to reach her concerning the matter and unable to reach her, again we reached the assistant administrator of the facility who again stated the same to contact HR. We stated we have attempter (sic) but there was know response. Then when (redacted) reached us, she stated don’t contact (redacted) … any more concerning any problems.

“So after a horrendous ordeal my wife felt it better to end our lives and why leave our children in someone’s else’s hands, in addition it seems Kiaser Permanente want’s us to kill ourselves and take our family with us. They did nothing to the manager who stated such, and did not attempt to assist us in the matter, knowing we have no job and 5 children under 8 years with no place to go. So here we are.

“Ervin Lupoe

“(Handwritten:) Oh Lord my God is there no hope for a widow’s son!”
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby Zazaban » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm

|Y| wrote:Don't buy it... http://www.mininova.org/tor/1036756

Eh, I kinda like to physically own my music, call me old fashioned. But I just might.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby AndyMalroes » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:52 am

As you have stated there have been a number of murder-suicides in this area over a short while. Pointing to a Masonic statement does not neccessarily mean it has ties to the motive.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby ambi » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:35 am

i was thinking that maybe the guy thought 'hey, while i'm at it i might as well fuck with people's heads and write down this masonic shit.' or perhaps he thought kaiser was a masonic front (their logo would reinforce that notion) and wanted to bring it to people's attention.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby frankzappa » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:53 pm

33rd degree - You have my sincerest thanks for posting this most important information here.
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby ambi » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:58 pm

heh, 33rd was me being too lazy to login. you're welcome i guess...

you might like this article. i was gonna post it in the news section but it uses the word 'illuminati' which i tend to find a bit nutty.... http://theinternationalforecaster.com/I ... l_Collapse
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Re: Freemasonry and anarchism

Postby frankzappa » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:06 pm

I am of the opinion that the tragic murder suicides of that young family were a form of ritualized sacrifice to traumatize the American public.

It is the most extreme reaction to take one’s self and one’s own family’s life to the news of unemployment. The line “(Handwritten:) Oh Lord my God is there no hope for a widow’s son!” is the most ridiculously overt Masonic reference. Talk about throwing it in our faces.

When it is becoming so obvious, there are still the majority who will have nothing of it, prepared to believe any other reason for what is going on. They would ridicule us and even lynch us given half a chance. They want to remain asleep.


There is a long and horrific history of Masonic murder suicides (sacrifices). This one is by no means the first, and it will not be the last.

Andrew: thanks for your comments.
It is important to understand Zappa’s life in context when analyzing his music and words,
He was educated at the Frankfurt school, a hotbed of Adornism (another Masonic front), more importantly, he was a child of Laurel Canyon. This broadcast is well worth listening to.


May 19, 2008
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" LIVE on RBN:
"Freedom of Mind for He Who Chooses,
Is Known by Controllers Who Study The Muses"
(Links: "Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation (Part I)" Center for an Informed America (davesweb.cnchost.com) - May 8, 2008.)
"Rumsfeld: "Why Not another 911" " by Larry Chin (globalresearch.ca) - May 16, 2008.)
"Rumsfeld On 2006 Election: "The Correction For That...Is An Attack" " by Jason Linkins (huffingtonpost.com) - May 13, 2008.)
Psychological Warfare - More Sophisticated Form of Slavery - Educational Associations - Conology - Youth "Rebellion". Hippy Movement, Vietnam Era, Laurel Canyon - Folk Music - Sex, Drugs and Rock-and-Roll. View of Reality - News and Data - Change from Within - Psychopathy - Information Overload, Rat Chatter - Becoming Alive, Speaking Out. Donald Rumsfeld, "Another 9-11" - World Wars - "Pearl Harbor" attack - Perception Alteration. Separation of Generations, Breaking Bonds of Family - German Hippy Movement - Medicated Society, War on the People. Albert Einstein, Death of Bees, Bee Pollination - Worker Bees (People), Symbol of Beehive. Introduction of Money, Root of All Evil - Third-Party Master - Taxation toward Our Enslavement - Minted Coin, Gold Mines, "Value" of Slave's Life. Civilization, Leisure Class, Psychopaths Climb to Top. Malnourishment, Vitamins and Minerals - Population Reduction - Cancer of Stomach, GMO Food.
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - May 19, 2008 (Exempting Music, Literary Quotes, and Callers' Comments)
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/CTTM ... 192008.mp3

Zappa was one of the first entertainers to popularize the baphomet hand signal, that video I posted was from 78, you will find very few using it before him. Only the rockers like Kiss who were literally put together by the church of satan were using it and they were obviously versed in its use in the traditional occultic (Masonic) sense. The beatles used it a few years earlier, they also immortalized Aleister Crowley and many other famous masons on the cover of Sgt Pepper.

The baphomet hand signal is used frequently by the public, who always imitate their heroes without knowing why. It is very worrying. Again, this is much the same as a child swearing at a passer by without never being taught what it means. The hand signals have a deep psychological resonance in the publics subconsciousnes, which in general they are not aware of. Some of us think ‘the thumbs up’ is a message of encouragement, to those that know better it is the ‘upright phallus of khem’.

They have so destroyed our collective and individual memories to the extent that they have us aping them through our language, gestures and sentiments without having the slightest clue what we are doing. The victory finger sign (also used as the peace sign) is well known as the venus fertility sign, venus (the morning star) is yet another metaphor for Lucifer.
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