Freemasonry and anarchism

[Crustanarchy]

"...metaphor for Lucifer."

Too bad Lucifer is also a metaphor.

[frankzappa]

Thanks for your comment Crust Anarchy, I quite agree although I would add that it isnt a metaphor for anything good.

By the way, your blood relative Richard Stockton was a freemason. He is listed in 10,000 Famous Masons (available online).

[Zazaban]

I don't really see what's so bad about Lucifer. He rebelled against the authority of God, wouldn't that make him the first freedom fighter?

[frankzappa]

Thanks for your comment Zazaban. That is an almost direct quote of Bakunin!

Lucifer has always (amongst so many other things), represented supreme rebellion, but rebellion without restraint. Freedom without self constraints is little more than soddom and gommorough or survival of the fittest.

This is exemplified by the famous mason Aleister Crowley's disgusting, blasphemous life and his statement 'do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law'. If you want to worship a hermaphrodite goat, thats your business. If you want to claim it offers or represents some kind of hope - good luck to you!

[Zazaban]

Actually what Aleister Crowley meant was along the lines of 'follow your true calling.'

Also, bringing the word 'blasphemous' and 'soddom and gommorough' into this makes me question your motives here. Are you coming from a religious angle?

And Lucifer isn't the one who casts people into a lake of fire and torture for all eternity. He's the guy who told Eve to eat an apple that in fact let her know a truth that God had been hiding from her and Adam so that they could not have free will. In fact, I've seen very little in the bible that shows Lucifer/Satan (who are actually two different figures) doing a whole lot that's all that bad, other than telling people to not listen to God. But we have God burning cities and spreading plagues. Objectively, who sounds less evil?

What's wrong with hermaphrodites? Are you transphobic?

[Crustanarchy]

Thanks for the information FZ.

[frankzappa]

Zazaban, many thanks for your comments regarding the bible and satan/Lucifer.

Actually what Aleister Crowley meant was along the lines of 'follow your true calling.'

Crowley never said 'follow your true calling' although if he had, giving the example of his own life, one can only take negative connotations from that statement also. It is very depressing that there are those who would try to defend Crowley despite his peadophilia, bestiality and avowed Satanism. Crowley promoted his statement ‘Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law’ through his own living example. Though Crowley spoke a lot of truth on many issues including the Caballa, astrology, mathematics, symbolism and philosophy, one would have to acknowledge the thoroughly diabolical nature of his life. Why not try to defend Charlie Manson? There would probably be more value in doing so. At least Manson was a self confessed dupe, whereas Crowley was very much aware of his purpose.

Also, bringing the word 'blasphemous' and 'soddom and gommorough' into this makes me question your motives here. Are you coming from a religious angle?

I am trying to speak against those who would place Lucifer/Satan as a figurehead of enlightenment and wisdom. It is no more a religious proclamation to speak against it than for it.

And Lucifer isn't the one who casts people into a lake of fire and torture for all eternity. He's the guy who told Eve to eat an apple that in fact let her know a truth that God had been hiding from her and Adam so that they could not have free will. In fact, I've seen very little in the bible that shows Lucifer/Satan (who are actually two different figures) doing a whole lot that's all that bad, other than telling people to not listen to God. But we have God burning cities and spreading plagues. Objectively, who sounds less evil?

I would argue that Satan and Lucifer are one and the same, though they are sometimes described in different contexts in the bible and under different names. There are many who have said Jesus and Lucifer are the same also. It is very true that there is lots of god sponsored raping and pillaging (even incest) in the bible. Though it is obvious that the bible, like all holy books was largely constructed for mind control purposes, I would add (as is the case with Crowley) there is a lot of fundamental truth in there.

Soddom and Gommorough is little more than a metaphor for where we are heading in the west, a result of embracing ones most base and animal desires. It is an enormous transsexual, intergenerational whorehouse, where any desire no matter (how sordid and blasphemous) can be acted out (for the right price). Some would recognize the folly of such a state of affairs, some would call it freedom and work tirelessly towards its introduction.

The fundamental difference between traditional ‘good’ god figures and ‘that old goat’ Satan is the concept of judgement. Whereas the good god instructs followers to live well and follow a moral code in order to be judged well, Satan forgive any sin and encouraged in its revelry. No matter how much the good gods cause has been perverted by the elite, it can only ever be closer to the truth than Satan who has only ever been the biography of all wickedness.

The point of being against Satanism, is that belief in Lucifer/Satan (either as a living being or as a spiritual force) has always formed an integral part of the religion of the elite (freemasonry). You would aim to convince us that through adopting the same religious figureheads as the elite we would somehow be in a position to fight for a better world? Bakunin thought much the same, though hopefully my earlier comments have dispelled that mindset.

What's wrong with hermaphrodites? Are you transphobic?

Hermaphrodism in the human species is a result of ‘whore moan’ imbalance. The hermaphrodite is regarded as the model citizen by the elite as in that individual the conflict between male and female is ‘resolved’. The goal of the new world order is the introduction of hermaphrodism on an enourmous scale. Amongst the lower orders of humanity men and women would be obsolete. Traditional breeding between men and women would be obsolete. The reality which is dawning is a synthesis of Orwells 1984 and Huxleys Brave new world.

[Zazaban]

Hey, come to think of it, the way this guy can find something masonic/stanic about everything is kinda neat.

Do you have anything on Eric Clapton?


Also, the thing is, is that none of us take the idea that the elites are Satanists at all seriously.

[Crustanarchy]

Saw a Cynic/Meshuggah show last night, lots of Mason symbols.

[Zazaban]

It's a Mason! Run!

[stockbroker9598]

well if we didnt have corperations or goverment i don't think we would be online talking about this at all,
we are able to because the society we live in affords us this privalge , pick any country that is poor
and u would be toiling in the fields trying to sustain the most basic exsisteniece with no thought to anarchy
or anything else , so be glad that u live in a country that allows u to have the freedom we enjoy.

[Guest]

hey stock broker, you capitalist piece of shit, why don't you go to one of those countries that your corporate masters and clients are raping and explain to them why your people are there devastating their land and destroying thier way of life, while violently repressing any dissent! Yor precious economic system has given rise for the idea of Anarchism again, since you stole our lives from us with your greed. !

[frankzappa]

“Stalin set up a special overseas sabotage and murder squad within his secret service in January 1946. Its first chief, war hero Paul Anatolevich Sudoplatov, gave one officer – who later defected – this advice on recruiting killers: “Go search for people who are hurt by fate or nature – the ugly, those suffering from an inferiority complex, craving power and influence but defeated by unfavorable circumstances. The sense of belonging to an influential, powerful organization will give them a feeling of superiority over the handsome and prosperous people around them and for the first time in their lives they will experience a sense of importance. It is sad and humanly shallow but we are obliged to profit from it.”” (Page 32, The world’s most evil men, Neil Blandford and Bruce Jones, Hamlyn publishing, 1984).

In 1946 ‘those hurt by nature or fate’ were by no means in a minority in the USSR. I would venture it was more a question of finding those with the biggest axes to grind and being spoilt for choice. Although the quote refers to the formation of a ‘murder squad’, the formula remains the same in recruiting for positions of power within society at large. Across every sphere of public life those deviants that crave power and desire ‘success’ (usually defined in monetary and sexual terminology) are celebrated as entrepreneurs, gangsters, ‘buccaneers’, (and especially) revolutionaries and cultural icons. In an increasingly godless world, It is through these ‘personality types’ that we are sought to direct our deep and unsatisfied perversion of human independence - of hero worship.

“Or coming into lower, less unspeakable provinces, is not all loyalty akin to religious faith also? Faith is loyalty to some inspired Teacher, some spiritual hero. And what therefore is loyalty proper, the life breath of all society, but an effluence of Hero-worship, submissive admiration for the truly great? Society is founded on Hero worship. All dignitaries of rank, on which human association rests, are what we may call a Heroarchy (Government of heroes) , or a Hierarchy, for it is sacred enough withal ! The Duke means Dux, Leader; King is Kon-ning, Kan-ning, Man that knows or cans. Society everywhere is some representation, not insupportably inaccurate, of a graduated worship of heroes; - reverence and obedience done to men really great and wise. Not insupportably inaccurate, I say! They are all as bank notes, these social dignitaries, all representing gold; - and several of them, alas, always are forged notes. We can do with some forged false notes; with a good many even; but not with all, or most of them forged! No: there have to come revolutions then; cries of democracy, liberty and equality, and I know not what : - the notes being all false, and no gold to be had for them, people take to crying in their despair that there is no gold, that there never was any!” (Page 16-17,Heroes and Hero worship, Thomas Carlyle,1840, The world library)

Hero worship is as old as human interdependence. It is an inevitable outcome of forced cooperative labor, and of the separation of the means of subsistence from the masses to a small dominant group. For as long as this situation has existed, survival has been dependent on allegiance to this group, ‘success’ is based on becoming one of this group, or in the very least adopting its principles and aping its behavior.

The concept of hero-worship forms a considerable aspect of a religion, to a significant part of the masses, the majority of whom would not consider themselves religious! When pirates of one form or another throughout the ages were captured, jailed and tried, decisions on their sentencing were so often affected by the mob, (so often waiting on hand - at the ready to riot and create chaos).

And what heroes we have been given throughout this current age – virtually nothing in between a sissy and a gangster for men, and very little in between a feminist and a whore for women. These categories are not mutually exclusive in the final analysis – how many gangsters and power mongers are homosexual, and how many feminists are whores.

“To be a ‘real’ man in our culture is to realize that ‘a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do’. He has to be strong, powerful and independent; he should be prepared to be tough in overcoming adversity, to be forceful and never flinch or show cowardness, to be dominant by fair means or foul, to be constantly striving for achievement and success, even at the expense of others if necessary, to be competitive and determined to win although prepared to take defeat like a man and above all, never, never to be seen acting or talking like a girl. In a man’s world, to be a sissy, or mothers boy is the stigmatized fate that awaits those who lack the manly qualities of ambitious striving, shrewdness in outsmarting others, and moral flexibility to secure a desired end. These qualities are acted out in the world of sport, in the occupational world (eg take over bids, mergers, career striving and corporate crime) and particularly in war, whether with the nations enemies or with men’s enemy – women. In sexual matters, the real man must dominate his partner by charm, connivance, or cunning, and if these fail by coercion. When it comes to the fair opposite sex, masculine success, just as in the Vietnam war, is measured by the body count; women are reduced to the objects of prey, with man as the active predators. The number of ‘birds pulled’ often becomes the benchmark of a mans masculinity, the measure upon which his status with peers is based (Clark 1965: 71; Rainwater 1970: 285-309). As one of Liebow’s respondents put it (1967: 144): ‘where pussy is concerned a man should take what he can get’. And writing directly on the ‘masculine mystique and rape’, Hills argues that (1980: 70): ‘Especially for males who have internalized the importance of appearing virile, and who are unsure of their masculinity, scoring with a sexually attractive woman – the more frequently the better – may become a kind of ritualistic test of their manhood.” (P145 Power crime and mystification, Steven Box, Routledge Publishing, 1983)

If Box’s is a rather one sided analysis, which does not take into account women’s equally lamentable contribution to the current state of the collective psyche, it is also largely undeniable. Success in financial and sexual concerns is an exponential function of psychopathy. In fact psychopathy, sex, power and money, merge into one aspect.
Freemasonry dominates all official spheres of life and all underworld spheres of life.
Heroes are selected, created and chosen by the brotherhood and then promoted to the masses.

It makes little difference where the hero’s are recruited from. Capone was raised amongst a neighborhood of whoredom, and throughout his life, he fought tirelessly to lower the American moral standard. His position within the American psyche of ‘rebellious maverick’, remains today, one only need note tourist hotspots in Chicago. Capone died the fitting death of a whoremonger; he perished of venereal disease in Prison. Untill his fall from grace, he took an increasingly important role within the official organs of state.

“How high Capone’s stock rose under the new Thompson administration was patent on May 15, when the Italian flier Commander Francesco de Pinedo, circling the globe as Mussolini’s goodwill ambassador in his hydroplane the Santa Maria 2, landed on lake Michigan off Chicago’s grant Park. The welcoming committee consisted of the Italian consul, Italo Canini; the president of the city’s Fascisti Ugo Galli; the collector of customs, Anthony Czarnecki: officers of the Sixth Air Corps; Mayor Thompsons personal representative, Judge Bernard Barassa; and Al Capone. Capone was among the first to shake De Pinedo’s hand as he stepped ashore. Some Chicagoans questioned the propriety of including Capone. This drew a sorry admission from the police. An anti-fascist demonstration was expected, they claimed, and they were not sure of being able to prevent a riot. So they had asked Capone to serve on the committee, believing that he could quell any riotous anti-Fascisti. As it happened, the need never arose. The demonstrators were few and orderly”. (P193, The life and world of Al Capone, John Kobler, Coronet publishing 1971)

The police’s ‘anti’ anti-facist reasoning is so much BS. Most of the political administration were (like the police) ‘on the payroll’, Capone’s public greeting of the Italian fascisti was commensurate to his status in Chicagoan society as hero.

On reading Kobler’s account of Capone’s ascent of the underworld, one is struck by the intense degree of barbarism and debauchery amongst the American masses, which appears almost identical to the barbarism of prewar Nazi-Germany, of the end of the 19th century in England, and of the general situation in the west today. The scene which Capone had left behind in New York was little different to the one he arrived upon in Chicago –Soddom and Gomorough.

“During the first decade of the century the number of Chicago brothels reached a total, estimated by the Chicago vice commission, of 1020, employing about 5000 madams, servants and prostitutes, most of them situated within the Levee. The commission put the gross revenue in 1910 at $60 million and the net at more than $15 million. These figures did not include the myriad independent call girls and streetwalkers working out of the hotel rooms or rented flats – again, mainly in the Levee. Their earnings probably exceeded $10 million a year. In addition to harlots, the Levee crawled with homosexual hustlers, pimps, procuresses, white slavers, dope peddlers, thieves, killers for hire. Hundreds of pimps banded together as the Cadets Protective Association, while the madams formed their own cartel, the Friendly Friends, which raised a slush fund for police payoffs. There were peep shows catering to adolescents , agencies that supplied performers for stag parties, Burlesque houses like Harry Thurston’s Palace of Illusion with its chorus line of negro girls performing obscene dances, “stockades”, where white slaves were held captive, “broken in” – that is raped – and sold into prostitution. In one stockade, run by a young negress, the specialty was teaching novices a repertory of sexual tricks”. (P38, The Life and world of Al Capone, John Kobler, Coronet publishing, 1971)

Capone was a veteran of the ‘five points’ New York gang which ostensibly, was named according to a five road junction in the cities province. The term could easily be extended to masonry’s ‘five points’ of fellowship‘. The operation of the ‘five pointers’ criminal activity during the period displays a degree of organization more akin to organized freemasonry, than a battle hardened street gang. This is evidenced by the life of Paul Kelly, leader of the Five Pointers.

Those who fail to understand the extent of freemasonry’s domination of public life, struggle to reconcile the ‘career decisions’ of those who seemingly settled into one occupation, only to take up another seemingly contradictory occupation with equal vigour. It is echoed in (though by no means limited to) the lives of Masonic anarchist agitators in Italy (mentioned in previous posts) dropping everything to convert the masses to anarchism. Kelly made a smooth transition in his conversion from pimp to labor agitator!

“The five points gang, successor to the Whyos, reached its zenith at the turn of the century under the generalship of an ex bantam weight prize fighter, Paul Kelly (real name Paolo Antonini Vaccarelli). From his New Brighton Dance Hall in Great Jones Street, one of Manhattan’s brassiest, wickedest fleshpots, he mapped the operations of some 1,500 Five Pointers and laid claim to all the territory bounded by the Bowery and Broadway, Fourteenth Street and City Hall. A quiet, and urbane man, Kelly was better educated than any of his fellow gangsters. He spoke Italian, French and Spanish, dressed with impeccable taste, and generally exhibited the appearance and manners of polite society. No gang chieftain could long retain power unless he proved politically useful, and Tammany Hall was beholden to Kelly for the help his hearties frequently gave its candidates at the hustings”.
“By the time Capone joined the Five Pointers Kelly’s prestige had somewhat deteriorated. Years of warfare with the apelike Monk Eastman’s Bowery gang had strained his resources. Then his own henchman, the aromatic Biff Ellison, grew to resent his leadership. One winter night in 1905 Ellison and a member of the rival Gopher gang burst into New Brighton, a gun blazing in each hand. A Five Pointer named Harrington went down with a bullet through his head. Kelly stopped three bullets. He survived, however, and after months of convalescence opened another dance hall, Little Naples. A reform group – the committee of fourteen, managed to have it padlocked. Kelly withdrew to Harlem, where he developed a new source of profit. He organized first the rag-pickers, then the garbage scow trimmers into unions and served as their business agent. Eventually he became vice-president of the International Longshoremen’s Association, AFL”. (P28 The Life and world of Al Capone, John Kobler, Coronet publishing, 1971)

[frankzappa]

Very much worth a listen.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.us/C ... 272009.mp3

Feb. 27, 2009
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" LIVE on RBN:
Men Blowing Bubbles Scoot with Loot---Again:
"The Age of International Pirate Pranksters,
Their Hand-Picked Governments, Private Banksters,
Barricading Themselves for Summer of Riots,
While Taxpayers' Money Goes to Bailouts and Buyouts,
The IMF May Print Global Currency, It Seems,
Fulfilling the Vision of John Maynard Keynes,
The Big Boys have Seen It Coming for Years,
Trained Police and Military to Take Care of Fears,
Plan was Hatched Long Before 9-11,
To Send All Their Plunder to Money Heaven,
You See Fat Men Round Tables, Giggling Effete,
As They Use the World's Slaves to Pay Off Their Debt"
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - Feb. 27, 2009 (Exempting Music, Literary Quotes, and Callers' Comments)
Topics of show covered in following links:
"Activists plot G20 summit mass protests against bankers in City" by Richard Edwards (telegraph.co.uk) - Feb. 27, 2009.
"Anarchists plan City riot for day G20 leaders arrive in London" by Robert Mendick and Nigel Rosser (dailymail.co.uk) - Feb. 20, 2009.
"Eastern Europe About To Go Bust, Taking Western Europe With It" by Henry Blodget (businessinsider.com) - Feb. 22, 2009.

[AndyMalroes]

Hmmm....Let's pick a name at random.

Was Jim Morrison a mason? I really would like to see!