Freemasonry and anarchism

[frankzappa]

I have not written anything here to amuse the reader and I suggest if you are looking for laughs there are many other threads on this forum which will provide light relief.

Clearly you havnt a clue about masonry, chiming in with the same old gibberish that masonry is a 17th century invention. Freemasonry is as old as man himself. Albert Churchward (30th degree freemason) more than proves this in the following works:

Origins and Evolution of the Human Race

Origins and Evolution of Freemasonry connected to the origins and evolution of the human race.

Signs and symbols of primordial man.

I can’t be bothered to quote from them but (as I have already stated) there is ample evidence that Freemasonry is primarily an African creation, which developed into the freemasonry of Egypt which in turn colonised the world. It is almost impossible to date Eqyptian freemasonry. Churchward states that it probably developed over hundreds of thousands of years and its exodous around the globe is a relatively recent phenomenom.

The reader that does not care to look into this matter will remain forever in the dark regarding the ancient nature of freemasonry, and its domination over us.

[skimmington]

OK frankzappa,
For the moment set aside your erudition on freemasonry and its history and explain why you are the exception; why it is that you of all people should have transcended the delusory condition which you impute to the mass of people who find no compelling reason to believe in the ineluctable hegmony of freemasonry.

[frankzappa]

I am no exception, but you are goons who wish to remain asleep no matter what they are told, no matter how devastating the evidence might be. A long time ago I chose to read and try to educate myself, rather than entertain myself. And after a long period of reading and thinking it became clear to myself that the truth is 'hidden in plain view' and quite unutterably disgusting, especially when one becomes versed in babylons signs and sim-baals.

The meaning of the word 'hegemony' is interesting, hegemony or 'hedge money' 'hedge' (to secure oneself against loss by transactions that would indemnify one, or to make cross bets or to bet both ways so that it is impossible to lose, hedge also means illegitimate in some way. Hedge money is what they get from backing both sides, playing them off against each other, and controlling the outcome. As the portugese guy said, quite eloquently; THEY PLAY IN ALL SIDES TO GET ALWAYS VICTORIOUS, a very simple statment but very true.

You can go and join with all the other worthless hecklers who have smeared these pages with thier bile and idiocy.

"As we know from ancient Egyptian history, there are symptoms of psychic changes that always appear at the end of one Platonic month and at the beginning of another. They are, it seems, changes in the constellation of the psychic dominants, of the archetypes or "Gods" as they used to be called, which bring about, or accompany, long-lasting transformations of the collective psyche. This transformation started within the historical tradition and left traces behind within it, first in the transition of the Age of Taurus to that of Aries, and then from Aries to Pisces, whose beginning coincides with the rise of Christianity."

"We are now nearing that great change which may be expected when the spring-point enters Aquarius. It would be frivolous of me to conceal from the reader that reflections such as these are not only exceedingly unpopular but come perilously close to those turbid fantasies which becloud the minds of world-improvers and other interpreters of "signs and portents".

"But, I must take this risk, even if it means putting my hard-won reputation for truthfulness, trustworthiness and scientific judgment in jeopardy. I can assure my readers that I do not do this with a light heart. I am, to be quite frank, concerned for all those that are unprepared by the events in question and disconcerted by their incomprehensible nature. Since, so far as I know, no one else has yet felt moved to examine and set forth the possible psychic consequences of this foreseeable change, I deem it my duty to do what I can in this respect. I undertake this thankless task in the expectation that my chisel will make no impression on the hard stone it meets."

C G Jung 1959 AD: Flying Saucers, Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies. Published by the Bollingen Foundation Introduction, pp xi - xii

Ponder this in relation to Alans revelations which were quoted earlier:

“Ganymede, the most beautiful boy of Greece, was swimming in the water when Zeus who was bisexual, went mad with lust for the boy. Zeus turned into an eagle and snatched him out of the water, and carried him off to have his wicked way with him. Ganymede was placed in the sky and later his constellation was called Aquarius. It represents a time of homosexuality, to be promoted in all cultures of the world in preparation of a new ‘man’ to come. The utopia planned for most of man would be a hell”. P66, Cutting through the matrix volume 3, Available from Alan Watt at http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

[frankzappa]

And as though you have the right to set aside my erudtion of freemasonry and its history, you people take
the biscuit.

[skimmington]

Online Etymology Dictionary.
Hegemony:
1560s, from Gk. hegemonia "leadership," from hegemon "leader," from hegeisthai "to lead." Originally of predominance of one city state or another in Greek history

Oxford English Dictionary.
Hegemony:
[ad. Gr. f. leader. Cf. F. hégémonie.
Leadership, predominance, preponderance; esp. the leadership or predominant authority of one state of a confederacy or union over the others: originally used in reference to the states of ancient Greece, whence transferred to the German states, and in other modern applications.
1567 J. MAPLET Gr. Forest 29 Keeping our selues free from blame in this Aegemonie or Sufferaigntie of things growing vpon ye earth. 1847 LEWES Hist. Philos. (1867) I. 278 Philip..claimed for Macedon the hegemony of Greece. 1847 GROTE Greece II. xliv. (1862) IV. 16 The headship, or hegemony, was in the hands of Athens. 1860 Times 5 May 9/2 No doubt it is a glorious ambition which drives Prussia to assert her claim to the leadership, or as that land of professors phrases it, the ‘hegemony’ of the Germanic Confederation. 1887 LECKY Eng. in 18th C. VI. 41 A universal Republic under the guidance and hegemony of France.

[frankzappa]

Hegge is dutch for hedge. In iclandic its heggr, speak the word hedge then money its the same word as hegemony. I dont care for what your dictionary wants you to believe it means. Initiates of mystery babylon are told to ponder the meaning of words for days, weeks, months or years, to ponder the phonetic similarities with other phrases and thier meanings in different languages, to break words into symbols anagrams and abreviations. Reading straight form a dictionary and getting smug wont help you. Every word in the english language has multiple meanings beyond the accepted meaning of the word.

[skimmington]

If you believe that you can just invent new origins and meanings for words then you can only be talking your own made up little language where words bear little or no resemblance to their actual meaning and origin.

Hedge from Middle English hegge from Old English hecg. Hegemony has a different etymology found in the Ancient Greek word hegmonia.
As for your spurious attempt to manufactured an origin and meaning by conflating an unrelated word of French derivation moneie by attaching it to the end of an Old English word that is utterly infantile.
The word hedge hecg is Old through to Middle English hegge The Old English word for money was sceatt or Middle English schat .

Whatever the initiates of Babylon were told to ponder, they certainly weren’t recommended to concoct bogus etymologies for words, or to manufacture meanings through idle and crass conjunctions be it over an afternoon or a month.



....no miracle of belief can equal his child like faith in the credulity of the people who listen to him; and so it comes to pass that he fools nobody as completely as he fools himself. (Gerald Kersh 1938)

[frankzappa]

If you believe that you can just invent new origins and meanings for words then you can only be talking your own made up little language where words bear little or no resemblance to their actual meaning and origin.

Hedge from Middle English hegge from Old English hecg. Hegemony has a different etymology found in the Ancient Greek word hegmonia.
As for your spurious attempt to manufactured an origin and meaning by conflating an unrelated word of French derivation moneie by attaching it to the end of an Old English word that is utterly infantile.

Interesting we focus around the meaning of ‘hedge-money’ when Gramsci developed the terms modern meaning:

“By hegemony, Gramsci meant the permeation throughout society of an entire system of values, attitudes, beliefs and morality that has the effect of supporting the status quo in power relations. Hegemony in this sense might be defined as an 'organising principle' that is diffused by the process of socialisation into every area of daily life. To the extent that this prevailing consciousness is internalised by the population it becomes part of what is generally called 'common sense' so that the philosophy, culture and morality of the ruling elite comes to appear as the natural order of things”. [Boggs 1976 p39]http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-gram.htm

Gramsci was no small thinker and I have referred repeatedly to his writings on freemasonry which you obviously don’t understand. G-ram-scheme does not go the whole hog, neglecting that the revolutionary left is thoroughly intertwined with freemasonry of one form or another, but he does give a very precise definition of freemasonry and revolution. For fascist read bolshevist or anarchist, it is the exact same principle.

“The fascist method of defending order, property and the state tends, even more than the traditional system of compromises and left policies, to shatter social cohesion and the political superstructures which go with it. The reactions which it provokes must be examined in relation to its application in both the economic and political field.

In the political field, first of all, the organic unity of the bourgeoisie in Fascism was not achieved immediately after the winning of power. Centres of borgeouis opposition to the regime remain outside fascism.

Fascism is compelled to struggle very fiercely against these surviving groups, and to struggle even more fiercely against freemasonry, which it rightly considers as the organizing centre of all the traditional forces supporting the state. This struggle, which is a sign in the break of the bloc of conservative and anti-proletarian forces, whatever the intentions, may in certain circumstances favor the development and self assertion of the proletariat as a third and decisive factor of the political situation.”
P148 – 149, Antonio Gramsci, Writings on Fascist reaction 1924-1926, A Gramsci Reader, Lawrence and Wiseheart Publishing, 1988.

Comments Skimington?

Or perhaps you are getting in over your head when it comes to this conversation?

The words hegemony and hedge money are as near as beehive and behave. I mention the direct translation from other languages because it illustrates that hegge or hege and hedge are basically identical not only in English but across other languages. The etymologies are largely irrelevant when the pronunciation is almost identical. I am talking about phonetics, not etymology. No matter what country of derivation and at what periods in his-story you wish to derive the word from they both sound the same in English. Country or Cunt tree? A very graphic example but I hope this illustrates my point. As English is designated as a one world language this issue would appear to be of some concern to those of us with an interest in Language or Languish. Phonetics is not a new phenomenom, it is my bee-leaf that the Egyptians perfected it millennia ago, adapted it to specific races and cultures with the purpose of dividing them, but its ultimate purpose being a universalised satanic pagan culture and languish. Largely the same con collusion many others have made. This requires some stretch of belief to an idiot clutching desperately to etymology, but considering the fact that the great pyramid contains mathematics which today are still being interpreted with revelation, the same would not be inconceivable when applied to the field languish, sorry language. All languages are, with varying degrees of similarity, derivations of Eqyptian, the problem lies in the fact that as I stated earlier, the real meanining of hyroglyphs has always been hidden to all but a very elect few, therefore, the same can be said of every alphabet.

Whatever the initiates of Babylon were told to ponder, they certainly weren’t recommended to concoct bogus etymologies for words, or to manufacture meanings through idle and crass conjunctions be it over an afternoon or a month.

You miss the point of phonetics, or what the words sound like when they are spoken, In English. Similarities (and the psychological import such similarities evoke) which arise from pronunciation of words and phrases do not happen by accident.

“This is not a rehearsal. This is the final phase of humanity as we know it. Sound shocking? The go back to your TE-LEVI-SION and continue your programming. Your faith in the system creates your fate."

“The mythologies of Greece,Rome and the Nordic countries, Persia, India and China all tell the same stories as are found in Egypt or in the bible. For example, in one story of Ra, he loses an eye, the same as Odin (also Wotan, Atin, Aton). It also teaches that language has not simply developed by itself. It has been “craft-ed” with “Spell-ings.” Mind control begins with intriguing symbols which gradually replace natural communication. Eventually we languish in our language. All major languages were updated at the same periods in history, why and by whom?"

"Every priesthood has a function. Thoth (as in thought) was the god of writing and knowledge, inventor of numbers, letters and geometry, scribe of the gods and god of the scribes. He recorded the deeds of men later became associated with law, sometimes as the judge. He had the repository of knowledge and “various magic formulae” necessary to carry the world from one world to the next (read age). Up until the release of the printing press, all knowledge and writing was in the hands of priests and a few of the nobility. Clerk, as in book keeping comes from cleric, a priest scribe. The conspiracy underground would have you believe it all started with 18th century France, or the English revolution, but the truth is we were hi-jacked long, long ago." Alan Watt, P1 & P13, Cutting Through the Matrix Volume 1, Availablefrom Alan at

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

....no miracle of belief can equal his child like faith in the credulity of the people who listen to him; and so it comes to pass that he fools nobody as completely as he fools himself. (Gerald Kersh 1938)

I would prefer to restate Crowleys words in relation to two different types of atheists, of which you are very obviously one ‘Skimington’.

1. The mere stupid man. (Often he is very clever, as Bolingbroke, Bradlaugh and Foote were clever) He has found out one of the minor arcane (ie etymology, my insertion fz), and hugs it and despises those who see more than himself, or who regard things from a different standpoint. He is usually a bigot intolerant even of tolerance.

2. The despairing wretch, who, having sought God everywhere, and failed to find Him, thinks everyone else is as blind as he is, and that if he has failed – he, the seeker after truth! – It is because there is no goal. In his cry there is pain, as with the stupid kind of atheist there is smugness and self satisfaction. Both are diseased Egos.

[frankzappa]

"In Totemism, the Mother and Motherhoods, the Sister and Sisterhoods, the Brother and Brotherhoods, the girl who transformed at puberty, the mother who was eaten as a sacrifice, the two women who were ancestresses, were all of them human, were all of them actual, in the domain of natural fact. But when the same characters have been contained in mythology, they are superhuman. The Mother and Motherhoods, the Sister and Sisterhoods, the Brother and Brotherhoods, have been divinized. The realities of Totemism have supplied the types to mythology as goddesses and gods that wear the heads and skins of beasts to denote their character. The mother as human, in Totemism, was known as the water cow, and this became the type of the Great Mother in mythology and polytheism. But it was the type that was continued, not the human mother. The mother as first person in the human family was the first person in the Totemic Sociology. Thence came the Great Mother in mythology, who was fashioned in the Matriarchal mould, but with this difference: it is the human mother underneath the mask in Totemism. It was not the human mother who was divinized as the Great Provider in mythology. Thus, the mother was human in the mask of Totemism and was superhuman in the mask of mythology. The human mother might be represented by, or as, the Totemic cow, serpent, frog or vulture: nevertheless they were not human mothers who were divinized in those same likenesses as the Egyptian Goddesses Isis, Rannut, Hekat and Neith. But the human mother who was eaten alive at the sacramental meal did supply a type of the superhuman mother in external nature, who also gave herself as a voluntary sacrifice for human food and sustenance – the mother of life in death, who furnished the first eucharist that was eaten in the religious mysteries. The human mother had been an actual victim, eaten as a sacrifice. The superhuman mother, or goddess, was eaten typically or by proxy. Hence she who was the giver of food and life to the world came to be eaten sacramentally and vicariously, that is in some Totemic victim, by whose death her sacrifice was symbolically represented. There were different types of the sacrificial victim at different stages of the eucharist. At one stage it was the red calf as the type of Horus, the Child; this same type was continued in the Hebrew ritual, it was carried on under various types in different Cults, and finally into the Christian doctrines."

"Whilst some of these Nilotic Negros carried out the primitive wisdom from the same central birthplace in Africa (at the head of the Nile and around the Great Lakes) to the islands of the Southern Seas and other places, and were fossilized during long ages of isolation, those that remained carried it down the Nile to take living root and grow, develop, flourish and expand as the mythology and Eshatology of Ancient Egypt."

P105 – 107, Evolution of Totemic People, The origin and Evolution of Freemasonry connected with the Origin and Evolution of the Human Race, Albert Churchward, George Allen & Unwin Pulishing, 1920

[skimmington]

Your lame attempt to lend gravitas to your screed by asserting

Gramsci was no small thinker and I have referred repeatedly to his writings on freemasonry

falls completely flat when you reveal that you have barely read anything at all by him, not least by showing that you have only just discovered his use of the concept of hegemony. On at least two further occasions you again confirm your ignorance of his writing.
The execrable drivel you attempt to dignify with the name 'phonetics' you can only have learned through playing 'charades'; appropriately enough.



....no miracle of belief can equal his child like faith in the credulity of the people who listen to him; and so it comes to pass that he fools nobody as completely as he fools himself. (Gerald Kersh 1938)

[frankzappa]

Your lame attempt to lend gravitas to your screed by asserting
"Gramsci was no small thinker and I have referred repeatedly to his writings on freemasonry"
falls completely flat when you reveal that you have barely read anything at all by him, not least by showing that you have only just discovered his use of the concept of hegemony. On at least two further occasions you again confirm your ignorance of his writing.

It wouldn’t matter if the Gramsci quotes I gave were the only things I ever read by him as long as they were relevant to the discussion. As it happens I was aware of Gramsci’s use of the term ‘hedge money’ many moons ago when I was a Marxist, and I quoted it because Gramsci’s concept of ‘hedge money’ made a lot more sense in terms of your use of the term in relation to freemasonry than the online dictionary you quoted. Google Gramsci Freemason, Gramsci Freemasonry and my thread is the top ranked search and has been for a good year.

You know fuck all regarding Gramsci or Freemasonry, perhaps if you did you may have made an attempt to address the Gramsci quote in my last post rather than ignoring it.

The execrable drivel you attempt to dignify with the name 'phonetics' you can only have learned through playing 'charades'; appropriately enough.

Phonetics (from the Greek: φωνή, phōnē, "sound, voice", pronounced /fəˈnetɪks/) is a branch of linguistics that comprises the study of the sounds of human speech.[1] It is concerned with the physical properties of speech sounds (phones): their physiological production, acoustic properties, auditory perception, and neurophysiological status.

To repeat "Initiates of mystery babylon are told to ponder the meaning of words for days, weeks, months or years, to ponder the phonetic similarities with other phrases and thier meanings in different languages, to break words into symbols anagrams and abreviations"

....no miracle of belief can equal his child like faith in the credulity of the people who listen to him; and so it comes to pass that he fools nobody as completely as he fools himself. (Gerald Kersh 1938)

We could play the silly game of repeating ourselves all night, perhaps you might like to address the issues under discussion, difficult for you, I understand 'Skimmington' you are after all: The mere stupid man. (Often he is very clever, as Bolingbroke, Bradlaugh and Foote were clever) He has found out one of the minor arcane (ie etymology, my insertion fz), and hugs it and despises those who see more than himself, or who regard things from a different standpoint. He is usually a bigot intolerant even of tolerance.

[skimmington]

How could you have been, "aware of Gramsci use of the term hedge money"?
Gramsci didn't use the term, it's just a silly expression which you made up. Remember?

"It wouldn’t matter if the Gramsci quotes I gave were the only things I ever read by him as long as they were relevant to the discussion"
Unless by saying;
"Gramsci was no small thinker and I have referred repeatedly to his writings on freemasonry"
you seek to imply you are well versed in his work; a false and misleading impression.
Further to which, by ignoring the context from which you quote you are free to misrepresent the actual argument and create misunderstanding rather than "address the issues under discussion".

You will have noted the definition of phonetics you cite makes no mention of meaning, sense or indeed the historical usage of words.
"It is concerned with the physical properties of speech sounds (phones): their physiological production, acoustic properties, auditory perception, and neurophysiological status."

Nevertheless, despite the actual concerns of phonetics, rather than engage with that discipline, you prefer to discard systematic analysis and cling to vague practices allegedly performed by "Initiates mystery babylon" [sic] which in your case at least, seems to give licence to concocting bogus etymologies, and making up expressions and their meaning.
"The execrable drivel you attempt to dignify with the name 'phonetics' " appropriately appears to have its definition in the word 'phoney' . 

phoney A. adj.    Fake, made up, sham, counterfeit; false; insincere. [Probably alteration of FAWNEY n. (compare FAWNEY n. 2).] 


Gramsci and Freemasonry may be popular Google search that in itself doesn't make the subject or your tendentious treatment of it of any note or merit.
It is of course also possible that the entry with which you are especially concerned appears popular because someone in particular frequently searches on it to check the Google ranking thus reinforcing its standing. Although I can't think of anyone who would be that interested, can you?


Given the unsubstantiated assertions with which you preface the Gramsci quote and the prescription to read into the text something which isn't stated, you'd do well to address the passage yourself in the first instance.
Why don't begin by identifying those characteristics of the revolutionary left in general and anarchism and communism in particular which you believe to be relevant and then specifically with reference to the quoted passage, original context permitting, demonstrate how they are also being "addressed by the issues under discussion". As a former Marxist this ought to be relatively straight forward for you.

[skimmington]

Addendum:

....no miracle of belief can equal his child like faith in the credulity of the people who listen to him; and so it comes to pass that he fools nobody as completely as he fools himself. (Gerald Kersh 1938)

[frankzappa]

How could you have been, "aware of Gramscis use of the term hedge money"?
Gramsci didn't use the term, it's just a silly expression which you made up. Remember?

I am asserting the similarities between the word hegemony (domination without opposition) and the term ‘hedge’ (to make cross bets) ‘Money’ (payment for) are too similar to be accidental.


"It wouldn’t matter if the Gramsci quotes I gave were the only things I ever read by him as long as they were relevant to the discussion"
Unless by saying;
"Gramsci was no small thinker and I have referred repeatedly to his writings on freemasonry"
you seek to imply you are well versed in his work; a false and misleading impression.

Not particularly so. Even the slightest glance at Gramsci’s resume and works would attest to the fact that the man was ‘no small thinker’. I was well aware of his ‘contribution’ to Marxism, long before this discussion. I have referred repeatedly to the passages I have quoted and their significance. What you have failed to do during your tedious replies is counter the claims i.e. substantiate the assertion that freemasonry is not “the organising centre of all the traditional forces supporting the state” as Gramsci very clearly states it is. This statement is as close to equating freemasonry as the head of the ‘hedge money’ as it could be. There is so much circumstantial evidence to support this claim that it wouldn’t matter if I was quoting myself. I quote Gramsci because the man was ‘no small thinker’ so it gives the quote weight, and he describes the situation in clear and articulate language. The historical evidence supports the fact that fascism or bolshevism always ends up attempting to destroy freemasonry, for example, Bolshevics, Mussolini, Hitler, Franco all proscribed freemasonry after the establishment of ‘fascist/bolshevist’ power. This can hardly be co-incidence but a recognisable historical pattern.

Similarly, Gramscis speech to Italian parliament contains the important quotes regarding what happens to freemasonry after the establishment of fascist/bolshevist power, it simply forms a (decisive) tendency within it.
“There are two quotes here regarding Musolinis proscription of freemasonry in the 20's. There are more in the full speech. Gramsci does not state his real concern - the anarcho communist masons being kicked out. It is also very telling he states that fascism will easily come to a compromise with freemasonry and not the other way round i.e. freemasonry is the dominant force in the relationship.

Gramsci 1925 Speech to the Italian parliament
Delivered: 16 May 1925;
Source: Gramsci Antonio, Contro la legge sulle associazioni segrete, 1997, Manifestolibri;
GRAMSCI: This law will not manage to slow down the movement which you yourselves are preparing in the country. Since freemasonry will enter the fascist party en masse and will form a tendency within it, it is clear that with this law you hope to impede the development of large worker and peasant organizations. That is the real value, the real meaning of the law.

GRAMSCI: The reality then is that the law against freemasonry is not principally against freemasonry; in the end fascism will easily come to a compromise with freemasonry.”
http://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci ... speech.htm

Hedge money pure and simple - back two sides, i.e. the left and the right, set them to war against each other, and then emerge victorious when the lower level members have taken the rap. P2 did not arise in a vacuum of power but was Italian Masonic banking families intermingled with political sycophants well allied to Italian fascism pure and simple.

Further to which, by ignoring the context from which you quote you are free to misrepresent the actual argument and create misunderstanding rather than "address the issues under discussion".

The context of Gramsicis writing is entirely clear – Gramsci was writing at a period of a power struggle between left and right in the 1920’s, where Mussolini triumphed, and the anarcho/communist left was destroyed. The role of freemasonry in the situation is my interest. How does the context of the Italian political situation so diminish Gramscis words? Are you saying he is mistaken and there is historical proof to prove it? Are you saying he is describing a unique phenomena which has never been repeated elsewhere? Do you need me to state your point of view? No. You only vainly blurt about etymology as though it is god’s word, babble about context, and ignore other comments as an when it suits.


You will have noted the definition of phonetics you cite makes no mention of meaning, sense or indeed the historical usage of words.
"It is concerned with the physical properties of speech sounds (phones): their physiological production, acoustic properties, auditory perception, and neurophysiological status."

Nevertheless, despite the actual concerns of phonetics, rather than engage with that discipline, you prefer to discard systematic analysis and cling to vague practices allegedly performed by "Initiates mystery babylon" [sic] which in your case at least, seems to give licence to concocting bogus etymologies, and making up expressions and their meaning.
"The execrable drivel you attempt to dignify with the name 'phonetics' " appropriately appears to have its definition in the word 'phoney' .

phoney A. adj. Fake, made up, sham, counterfeit; false; insincere. [Probably alteration of FAWNEY n. (compare FAWNEY n. 2).]

A far more valuable contribution by you, in stating the identical nature of the word phoney and phonetics. Is not the nature of the word contained within it? Actual concerns of phonetics? You are the one pretending the there is not the slightest similarity between the term ‘hedge money’ and the word ‘hegemony’, you have no discourse to phonetics when your own argument relies on a very narrow definition of etymology and a very one dimensional view of history and the manufacturing of languish. I would suggest physiological production, auditory perception, and neuro physiological status all pertain to the category of sense and meaning. History is simply ‘his story’, in other words a manufactured version of events designed to give a very deliberate conclusion.

Gramsci and Freemasonry may be popular Google search that in itself doesn't make the subject or your tendentious treatment of it of any note or merit.
It is of course also possible that the entry with which you are especially concerned appears popular because someone in particular frequently searches on it to check the Google ranking thus reinforcing its standing. Although I can't think of anyone who would be that interested, can you?

Unfortunatley it isn’t a particularly popular search, as the truth is never entertaining reading. Anyone with an interest in the ‘subjects under discussion’ should have a good read of Gramsci’s speech to Italian parliament which can usually be found next to this thread on Google. Anyone without an interest in the subjects under dIscussion is asleep, and needs to wake up. I couldn’t give a toss for Google but it is an indication of the popularity of the words written here, rather than your own words on this subject and the others under discussion, for example.

Given the unsubstantiated assertions with which you preface the Gramsci quote and the prescription to read into the text something which isn't stated, you'd do well to address the passage yourself in the first instance.

I have several times, perhaps you would wish to state the basis of your objections to my assertions.
Gramsci was not going the whole hog, not stating his real concern’ in his speech to the Italian Parliament, given there is a well documented link between anarchism communism and freemasonry.

Why don't begin by identifying those characteristics of the revolutionary left in general and anarchism and communism in particular which you believe to be relevant and then specifically with reference to the quoted passage, original context permitting, demonstrate how they are also being "addressed by the issues under discussion". As a former Marxist this ought to be relatively straight forward for you.

I have already done this, perhaps if you had read the earlier posts you would be more aware of the ‘subjects under discussion’. How the context can destroy the clarity of what Gramsci wrote and spoke you have yet to substantiate or even vocalise. You allude to the importance of ‘context’ almost every sentence. Perhaps you would like to expand what you mean. As a self satisfied twat this should be no effort to you.

I am waiting to hear your incredible answer re context, I am sure it will clear everything up.

[The Barking Snail]

I have tried not to promote any political ideology but rather explain that political ideologies themselves are fronts for freemasonry.

I believe the two men who described Anarchism best were Alfredo Bonnano and Alan Moore, the former defining it as a 'tension', and the latter as 'romance'. I generally agree with that assessment. Standing alone, anarchism isn't a political ideology, but rather, a general concept, a foundation upon which one can build an ideology. A tension one feels towards a life of quality and the act of engaging in an openly loving, liberated and romantic embrace of life, along with a cruel, and intolerant struggle against anything or anyone that would abridge one's freedom.

That's how I define anarchism, and I don't take it any father than that. What this thinker or that, established as an ideological castle based on their concept of anarchism, is theirs alone, and isn't really of consequence to me. I take what bits and pieces from the works of numerous philosophers of various stripe, and add to my own ideas, and with my own ideas, add to those bits and pieces I acknowledge, and perhaps integrate into my own fancy, mosaic-walled castle of self.

Name one ideology which has not been guided by masonry.

Does it matter? If it does, and yet;

The problem is that what is presented to the gullable masses as a viable alternative to the status quo has always been dominated by freemasonry of one form or another - end of story. Yes that means we are terribly fucked in terms of a viable alternative to what might offer a way out of the hell on earth which is rapidly approaching.

Then like you're said, we're fucked. You, at least, are certainly in your own mind, quite fucked!

You see what I did there?

Dont shoot the messenger for bringing the bad news.

Can't speak for the rest of these jolly folk, but I've got too much life to live to obsess over that which I can't do anything about. Since you don't, and are, why don't you get Project Mayhem rolling already?

Alan is fairly impeccable with his own referencing Alex is an easy target for the mudslinger, but you wouldnt say it to his face as he'd tear you a new pussyhole.

And both advocate a merely mechanical revolution, not a true revolution, to cast off one government and saddle us yet with another, which in fact would be the same thing. I tell you, I'm sure glad I've been led astray, if in fact I have, rather than in circles.

But of course what takes the cake of all the claims made in this thread -- what scares me the most about this fz guy -- is his claim that he is a school teacher. I fear for my kids when I have them someday. I just hope this claim isn't true, or at least that he doesn't teach anywhere near the local schools in my area.

Its true. But you can take consolation that this soldier is fighting the good fight from inside the classrooms of the UK. What you wouldn’t appreciate is that so many children and older students are hungry for the truth and have brought up the subject (freemasonry) with myself without me even mentioning it.

Fighting the good fight on behalf of who, I wonder? Or, rather, being distracted and likewise distracting as you've been instructed to. You're a fool of a fish on a hook without any bait.

If I ever get the chance, I'm dedicating a green paint-filled waterballoon to Alex Jones in your name. I do live in Austin, after all!

Yeah, you tell that pompous, greedy, ever-fattening, blowhard of a con artist, the fuckin' Snail's gonna get his ass.



Bork, Bork! Barrrgh!