Freemasonry and anarchism

[Jawn Disease]

It's hilarious that you quote books from Oxford University Press but you think FOX-ORD is the centre of world freemasonry

[frankzappa]

OXF(666) ORD is most definately one of the centres of international freemasonry, it is the place where the Rhodes foundation based much of its intelligentsia, and still does. Also one of the centres of the fabian society, god knows how many universities, think tanks, policy schools and masses of bonafide freemason lodges. Also masses of army bases.underground bases and army communications. One could speculate at length about what is really going on in Oxford. One could speculate at length about the location of the centre of world Freemasonry. I am inclined to agree with those that state the centre of world freemasonry is probably in the East. The money system is largely irelevent in the final analysis though very important in holding certain things in check,

"It is simply incorrect to state Freemasonry is the borgeousis institution par excellence. Freemasonry has always been the institution par excellence of the elite – the ruling class. Though a large strata of freemasonry are bourgeouis, and a considerable aspect of masonrys ideology is bourgeouis, its ideas have always been guided by the ruling class faction of masonry. This faction is largely concerned with money and its investment and cares little for capitalist enterprise, any more than it did the old feudal aristocracy. It is simply a means to an end, towards complete and utter enslavement of mind, body and soul."

"There is a sense in which, as this ruling class factions only concern is doctrine, and dogma, the production and investment of money can even be considered of secondary importance. Money is merely a manifestation of existing social relations, of a worthless commodity (paper) reified to the status of gold. In all ages money has been a figment of mans imagination, the expression of the dogma of slavery."

What is ridiculous is that the little dick weasel famous for such bloopers as "There is nothing Masonic about pyramids, obelisks or giant French statues" still continues to attempt some form of critique. Keep threshing away......

[Jawn Disease]

Dick weasel, nice.

[Jawn Disease]

Thought you might be interested in this, zappa.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676

Occult/mason/illuminati symbolism in Lady Gaga the popular singer

[frankzappa]

A much more valuable contribution than your previous post, thankyou. Lady Gaga is bang at it like all the rest of them - another evil stynkying masonic prostitute pushing the sex and drugs and dehumanisation agenda. Its a shame we cant find an island for them all and sink it to the bottom of the sea.

[Jawn Disease]

On that last point we can agree. I'm thinking the Maldives, we won't even have to sink it

[frankzappa]

“The Forty-Seventh Proposition is older than Pythagoras. It is this: “In every right angled triangle, the sum of the squares of the base and perpendicular is equal to the square of the hypotenuse.” “The square of a number is the product of that number, multiplied by itself. Thus, 4 is the square of 2 and 9 of 3.

The first ten numbers are: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Their squares are: 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
And 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19
are the differences between each square and that which precedes it; giving us the sacred numbers 3, 5, 7 and 9”.

“Of these numbers, the square of 3 and 4, added together, gives the square of 5; and those of 6 and 8 the square of 10; and if a right-angled triangle be formed, the base measuring 3 or 6 parts and the perpendicular 4 or 8 parts, the hypotenuse will be 5 or 10 parts; and if a square is erected on each side, these squares being subdivided into squares each side of which is one part in length, there will be as many of these in the square erected on the hypotenuse as in the other two squares together.”

“Now the Egyptians arranged their deities in Triads – The father or the spirit or Active Principle or Generative power; the Mother, or Matter, or the passive principle, or the conceptive power; and the son, issue or Product, the Universe, preceeding from the two principles. These were OSIRIS, ISIS and HORUS. In the same way PLATO gives us Thought the father; primitive matter the mother; and Kosmos the world, the son, the universe animated by a soul. Triads of the same kind are found in the Kabalah.

PLUTARCH says, in his book De Iside et Osiride, “But the better and diviner nature consists of three, - that which exists within the intellect only, and matter and that which proceeds from these, which the Greeks call Kosmos; of which three, Plato is wont to call the Intelligible, the ‘idea, Exemplar and Father’; Matter, ‘the Mother, the Nurse, and the place of receptacle of generation’; and the issue of these two, ‘The Offspring and Genesis,’” the Kosmos, “a word signifying equally beauty and order, or the universe itself.” You will not fail to notice that Beauty is symbolised by the Junior Warden in the South. Plutarch continues to say that the Eqyptians compared the universal nature to what they called the most beautiful and perfect triangle, as Plato does, in that nuptial Diagram, as it is termed, which he has introduced into his Commonwealth”.

“Then he adds that this triangle is right angled, and its sides respectively as 3, 4 and 5; and he says, “We must suppose that the perpendicular is designed by them to represent the masculine nature, the base,the feminine, and that the hypotenuese is to be looked on as the offspring of both; and accordingly the first of them will aptly enough represent OSIRIS, or the prime cause; the second ISIS, or the receptive capacity; the last, HORUS, or the common effect of the other two. For 3 is the first number which is composed of even and odd; and 4 is a square whose side is equal to the even number 2; but 5, being generated, as it were, out of the preceding numbers, 2 and 3, may be said to have an equal relation to both of them, as to its common parents.”

Morals and Dogma of the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Prepared for the supreme council of the Thirty Third Degree, 1871 published 1919. P86 – 89. 3 - Degree of Master Mason

[mj12]

"Hi I'm Ernest Borgnine, you may remember me from such roles as Commanded McHale in "McHale's Navy, or "Frozen Stupid". It is my sincere pleasure and honor to present to you The Distinguished & Illustrious Brother Clausen 33rd Degree, Solid Grand Commander, The Supreme Counsel 33rd Degrees, Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, explaining the bifurcated mission of the Scottish Rite

There is something about Brother Clausen which makes me suddenly believe every Masonic conspiracy theory I've ever heard. Maybe it's the hat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrUoD_1YIbM

[Brother of the Rosycross]

OK frankzappa, All of what you've been saying is true and I of all the posters on here am prepared to step up and admit it. We've all known it for ages because we're all in on it.
We'd probably all agree that you are uniquely clever to have uncovered the truth and worked all this out for yourself.

[Agent X]

Wow! This thread has touched on all topics from the Masonic gay agenda to Masonic prostitution to the involvement of every human being except our very own frankzappa (the troll we are all addressing, not the musician) and beyond and it has constituted 26 pages of useless comments! Congratulations!

You see, what I find hilarious about all masonry conspiracy theorists is that they talk about all these symbolic bullshit claims and never present solutions to these problems. They just keep talking about the problems and when confronted with a question about what they propose we do about the problem and what political/economic/social ideology they promote as an alternative, they either give a roundabout answer to a completely different question that wasn't even stated or they completely ignore the inquisitor (as happened in this thread when someone asked frankzappa what political ideologies he promotes). One would assume by the things written by anti-mason sensationalists that their entire ideology consists of the belief that freemasonry is holding us down and there's nothing we can do about it, because they never tell us how we can fight back.

A few things I find particularly peculiar about this poster is that he calls people out for not properly sourcing their information and finding particularly weak sources, yet every bit of information he has sourced has come from a YouTube poster, wikipedia, Alan Watt, or Alex Jones. Everyone here is aware of how reliable wiki and YT sources are, and anyone familiar with the batshit crazy antics and logical fallacies of the dynamic duo I mentioned know how unreliable those sources are as well.

And for the sake of irony, for all of fz's claims of people on this forum misquoting their sources, I find it particularly onerous that he contributed a quote from Ricardo Flores Magon instead to Karl Marx.

But of course what takes the cake of all the claims made in this thread -- what scares me the most about this fz guy -- is his claim that he is a school teacher. I fear for my kids when I have them someday. I just hope this claim isn't true, or at least that he doesn't teach anywhere near the local schools in my area.

But don't listen to me because I'm a freemason:

A=1
G=7
E=5
N=14
T=20
1-7=6, 1+4=5, T=2 left over, which get distributed evenly between the 5's, so 666

X=sex, gay anal/prostitution
So Agent X=666 gay anal prostitution obelisk

[frankzappa]

You see, what I find hilarious about all masonry conspiracy theorists is that they talk about all these symbolic bullshit claims and never present solutions to these problems. They just keep talking about the problems and when confronted with a question about what they propose we do about the problem and what political/economic/social ideology they promote as an alternative, they either give a roundabout answer to a completely different question that wasn't even stated or they completely ignore the inquisitor (as happened in this thread when someone asked frankzappa what political ideologies he promotes).

I have tried not to promote any political ideology but rather explain that political ideologies themselves are fronts for freemasonry. This is why I ignored the question posted by ‘Slave Mason’ earlier. Name one ideology which has not been guided by masonry. Bolshevism? Anarchism? Free Market Capitalism? I have made the best attempt I can to substantiate the claims I have made. The problem is that what is presented to the gullable masses as a viable alternative to the status quo has always been dominated by freemasonry of one form or another - end of story. Yes that means we are terribly fucked in terms of a viable alternative to what might offer a way out of the hell on earth which is rapidly approaching. Dont shoot the messenger for bringing the bad news.


One would assume by the things written by anti-mason sensationalists that their entire ideology consists of the belief that freemasonry is holding us down and there's nothing we can do about it, because they never tell us how we can fight back.

Not quite. Rather as I stated on page 25 and as so many masons have stated in a roundabout way “The masses are driving it (almost) as much as the elite are”. Albert Pike stated that the governments which the peoples had were the best they were capable of receiving – probably very true.

A few things I find particularly peculiar about this poster is that he calls people out for not properly sourcing their information and finding particularly weak sources, yet every bit of information he has sourced has come from a YouTube poster, wikipedia, Alan Watt, or Alex Jones. Everyone here is aware of how reliable wiki and YT sources are, and anyone familiar with the batshit crazy antics and logical fallacies of the dynamic duo I mentioned know how unreliable those sources are as well.

What is this paragraph? My referencing is almost impeccable and where mistakes have been made they have been corrected, or I am waiting to be corrected. Youtube is virtually only referenced for music (strictly for entertainment purposes). Wiki is referenced for its accurate description of the plot of Halloween 3, and an early quote regarding anarchist symbolism which can be found in other sources). Besides this the vast majority of the references are paper based with page number, author, publisher year of publication etc etc.. Alan is fairly impeccable with his own referencing Alex is an easy target for the mudslinger, but you wouldnt say it to his face as he'd tear you a new pussyhole.

And for the sake of irony, for all of fz's claims of people on this forum misquoting their sources, I find it particularly onerous that he contributed a quote from Ricardo Flores Magon instead to Karl Marx.

If you will highlight which Marx quote you attribute to the other source I will look into it and apologise, but that is hardly substantiation for the idiot claims you are making.

But of course what takes the cake of all the claims made in this thread -- what scares me the most about this fz guy -- is his claim that he is a school teacher. I fear for my kids when I have them someday. I just hope this claim isn't true, or at least that he doesn't teach anywhere near the local schools in my area.

Its true. But you can take consolation that this soldier is fighting the good fight from inside the classrooms of the UK. What you wouldn’t appreciate is that so many children and older students are hungry for the truth and have brought up the subject (freemasonry) with myself without me even mentioning it.

But don't listen to me because I'm a freemason:

You are a nonce, and If you are a mason you are very low degree.

A=1
G=7
E=5
N=14
T=20
1-7=6, 1+4=5, T=2 left over, which get distributed evenly between the 5's, so 666

It’s one way of getting the number 666 but somewhat arbitrary! Perhaps if you read the entire 26 pages properly you will see how I have tried to derive other meanings from words.

X=sex, gay anal/prostitution
So Agent X=666 gay anal prostitution obelisk

Your mother and your sister may have another use for the obelisk, and if you want to sell your arse I suggest other websites would offer a far more proffitable return on your investment of time and vitriol.

[jelly beans]

Im currently a student in this strange place we call Earth and i read most of the post here and several other websites and have read up subliminal messages the illuminati and well yes you get it. But even if i read everything in existence it would all still come back to the same point of i have no power against it. So what do i do with my life go be a neuroscientist invent a new biofuel at the end of the day its still pretty pointless. Ive tried living in a variety of ways, complete arrogance to everything and being happy, being well informed and making decisions based around it and worrying about everday life but thats just a life of anxiety. Living in arrogance of the problems at my door step is not the way to go but its one of the few ways you can be happy nowadays part of the whole plot I figure. Do you realy think spreading the word of all of this someday someone will come that will change everything cause i hope to god it does. I believe in your words in will keep listening to them but ill still look for the same thing, a conclsuion.

[bobdobbs]

Please allow me a few moments to add my disclaimer to the troll frankzappa. I happened across this forum searching randomly some other wacked out search terms including freemasonry (somewhat as a joke). Although I am a supporter of blackened.net, I am not even much of a lurker. But one thing rings true of your uninvited guest: poisoning the well.

Your tireless poster with an endless supply of backup "citations" is merely here to ping lurkers and those happening upon this site. He is merely preying on the weak of this site or uninformed by using your own principles against most of you who regularly post who support the cause. By way of "allowing one to do" in this case spout an endless cavalcade of meaningless, unsubstantive information which through the prism of a paranoiac analysis means the whole world and its perceived order is out to "get you" or control you or some such meaningless fear-mongering, this poster is hoping to inundate at least some regular posters as well as lurkers with perhaps less ability to reason through the uselessness of the writing to inaction. This is a natural consequence actually of anarchy (no negative connotation implied actually) and to some extent by virtue of his existence is trying to exploit this flaw.

What the poster fails to realize is that useless information although ultimately may attack fringe individuals inevitably, as an overall appeal will fail and you must as a forum acknowledge this and leave this poster to post in isolation. Perhaps you can organize someone to regularly attend this forum to post a disclaimer with structured language devised by a group of you in the form of something to the effect that this poster has no credibility and is using faulty first principles, unprovable evidence, reversed meaning, and misdirection to mislead folks in this forum. Meanwhile STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD AND ACKNOWLEDGING this poster. It is for the best of all involved.

The posting will continue in any event; so for the purpose of useful, constructive dialogue, avoid this thread.

[frankzappa]

Perhaps it might be a good idea to try and study what the word freemasonry means, before you think you might have something to say about it.

I’m not that tireless, and it’s very tiring posting here; the obvious reason being having to deal with persons such as yourself. Look at the dates between the posts, there are long gaps, it has been very tiring to put this information on the table. Wading in with all sorts of opinions without tackling the arguments others have fought and lost, how big of you.

In the words of William Burroughs, paranoid is simply “knowing the facts”. It’s nicer to believe the odds are a lot more heavily stacked in our favour, that we havnt been conned, that the moon is made of cream cheese etc..

“Control you or some such meaningless fear-mongering?”

Control - the con of the troll. You should be afraid. If everything I have written has sunk in properly you should be ready to puke. Bear in mind I could have gone further with some of my word’s, that some comments have been understated and not reiterated because I really do fear losing the reader. The truth is much sicker than the words I have written here. If I stated it as I really wanted to I would’ve faced even greater consternation.

[mj12]

Sure, frank is troll but it is still amusing to hear peoples' thoughts on those pesky masons. frank is quite boring really, his only amusing habit is to whinge about the amount of work he puts in trolling.

I just read christopher hitchens book and he describes the masons as something like a conspiracy of mediocrity. But if you think about it they were a powerful guild for many centuries. Over that time they must have salted away a lot of cash. Who knows what they own and what investments they hold.