anyone else fed up with environentalist?

[AndyMalroes]

I agree we need to save water drive less do all those things, but what bugs me is when people see the enviroment as more important than human rights and freedom of people! Anyone else have anything to add?

[|Y|]

Environmentalists generally are supported by big NGOs and if they're not they're getting money somehow peddling their bullshit.

The ones with the most extreme ideas are nothing but real life trolls in my mind (even if they believe their tripe). It reminds me of recent websites popping up in light of the corporate downfall of a certain gaming magazine. These websites have intentionally absurd reviews to get hits (and boy do they get hits, when fans of a given game are riled up). Likewise I believe environmentalists who believe humans are less valuable than "the planet" (as if we're not a part of that characterization and it is not a contridiction), do it to fill a niche and essentially...

...get paid.

[Zazaban]

I've noticed a rise in people who actually believe that that is essentially fascism and/or totalitarianism is justified if it's in the name of protecting the earth. Sustainability is very important, but it's also a great tool of control. Sustainability is totally possible without brutal dictatorships (I can't believe I even have to say this).

[Yarrow]

haven't noticed any of this! sounds like a discrediting move of the green scarers tho.

[BlutAusBeherit]

Real, sensible environmentalists don't believe that the earth is more important than human beings, they just understand that we're not more important than earth. We were created by earth, just like every other organic thing. The problem that most "sensible" environmentalists have is that soon, unless we really develop some genius technology, the air will be unfit to breath, and our resources will be unfit to consume. Maybe not in our life time, but in someone else's. I know that it's here and now that matters the most to any of us, but it's also somewhat important to look out for the future. At least in the altruistic sense.

Albeit, there are environmentalists that I dislike, and some that I don't mind. For instance, PETA is a complete joke. They're extremely eco-fascist, and I'm not so ok with that. They kill more animals than they save, so not much can be said for their struggle. ELF, however, holds a much more agreeable doctrine, seeing as they've never killed or harmed a single human or animal, only institutions. It's hard to draw a distinct line with insurrectionary action, but I do believe it's unavoidable and possibly necessary. I don't really agree with any of the "eco" groups, but I respect some aspects from each. Take it for what it's worth.

[Guest]

the elite figured out a long time ago that the easiest way to get global government is to create/exploit global threats. at one time they considered manufacturing a space alien threat, but they realized that it would conflict with the religious component of their control apparatus - and besides, the best threat, from their point of view, is one caused by human behavior, so that human behavior could then be (even more) subject to control.

the biggest contributor to environmental degradation is war - the same wars being run by the elite. do you hear funded-environmentalists saying we should end war if we want to help the environment? hardly...instead it is our own behavior which is to be modifed - and taxed - for the benefit of the elite.

the fossil fuel infrastructure could have been abandoned in favor of a more sustainable solution long ago. but, since the elite profit enormously from it - both in terms of money and control - it is still dominant today.

so what's the best thing we can do to help the environment? get rid of the elite (and capitalism), of course. welcome to anarchism.

[Superdog]

the elite figured out a long time ago that the easiest way to get global government is to create/exploit global threats. at one time they considered manufacturing a space alien threat, but they realized that it would conflict with the religious component of their control apparatus - and besides, the best threat, from their point of view, is one caused by human behavior, so that human behavior could then be (even more) subject to control.

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wut?

[Guest]

wut?

uhm.... what i said

if you wanna get up on this stuff, you have to go read the elite's own documents - some of them are quite open. you also have to understand their language and perspective (namely, they think they own the whole fuckin planet...) the crisis of democracy is a good one - a publication of the trilateral commision. the book trilateralism by sklar is an attempt at an academic discussion. report from iron mountain - which is sometimes referred to as a hoax (even though it isn't) is another one. a good overview is tragedy and hope by quigley - who thinks that the elite offer "hope" (sound familiar?) and that the "tragedy" is that so many people will die opposing the elite...

[HedraHelix]

I'm fed up with all the "go green!" bullshit. People buy "green" products to make themselves feel better about destroying the earth. Corporations exploit this fear and guilt and capitalize on it. If you want to be green, you're better off quitting the consumer lifestyle. Which is impossible in this society. We can't reform our way out of planetary destruction. If they really want to save the earth, they should focus on disabling capitalism, the police state that supports and protects it, build up your communities, and start learning to grow your own food and creating your own energy (if you're privileged enough to do so) and teaching and aiding others in developing the same skills.

Now, a few people have mentioned that human rights come before environmental rights. I would argue that they are the same thing. If our ground water is so polluted that the chemicals are giving us cancer and there is no more oxygen in the air because they cut down all the trees, then what? We aren't separate from the environment.

My cousin just bought a reusable shopping bag that reads "buy-ology, shop green!" WTF? Mainstream environmentalism is for liberals.


BTW why the fuck do I have to know random facts about the NHL football teams to leave a post here?

[HedraHelix]

BTW why the fuck do I have to know random facts about the NHL football teams to leave a post here?

There should be different trivia quesitons...you know ones that anarchists might be more likely to know.

[variagil]

There are anarchist environmental groups. They do not get money from the state or corporations -electrical companies use to promote environmental journals, and then people do not buy this papers-. But anyway there are nazi vegans, nazi environmentalists, Gay Arians and even all of this with full capitalist theory. It makes me think about environmental groups with expensive ships playing to be pirates or discussing about the purity of the babies. The fishermans men and women have their own ecological believes and this despective and capitalist attitudes do not help to keep natural media.

[LaDolceMarcello]

I do not have a problem with all environmentalist but I do get a headache from the mainstream craze bandwagon appeal that has sprung up, again. With it, it brings loads of misinformed wanna-be-do-gooders that tend to hurt the cause and, like you said, sometimes put it's importance on a grossly high level sending all other issues to the shade to be minimalized. However, I do think the craze has brought a lot of awareness. A double-edged sword, perhaps?

The corporations have obviously taken advantage of this.
So have the politicians..
Hell, Everyone has.

I do fear that some of the hard-core environmentalist would have us drain all our resources to save the earth but have ourselves be destroyed in the process. As said before, If we truly prioritize ourselves the earth will be in good shape as well- and if it is not- so be it.

[mj12]

It's a religious experience for the dull masses. Like all religions its leaders call upon the masses to make sacrifices to appease the elements. The whole movement was long ago hijacked by commies, the middle class, government and the education industry.

Have you ever wondered what use it is going out and catching all those seals and turtles and sharks, attaching radio beacons and tracking them to see what they do? What is the actual use of all this rubbish "scientists" do in the name of the environment? It's all about them entertaining themselves. If you want to protect the environment it's simple. Just stop exploiting it and leave it alone. Animals and plants are well equipped to reproduce without the involvement of C grade researchers.

[Infinite]

Another good thing to check out in respect to this topic is the book Ecoscience by the current 'Science Czar' John Holdren, co-written by another guy who made all these predictions about the world basically coming to an end due to ecological calamity in the 70's that never came true named Paul Ehrlich. In it they advocate adding drugs into the water supply to sterilize the population among other nefarious things. Ehrlich was also on the board of ALIPAC, an anti-immigration group for a long time along with his wife. Which is funny b/c conspiracy theorists on the right who report on this stuff like Alex Jones always claim that 'the globalists want open borders'.