FBI investigation info

[chernoe_ znamia]

as a newer user, what was the nature of these incitements to p.b.d.? just curious. and lazy.

[Global Dissident]

And I thought the Government no longer worried about anarchism.

[CaSidy]

they always will be after anti-authorian movements.. especially for all the folks in US this should be a major problem with their government and its War of terror wich has made it easier for them to prosecute just about anyone for anything..

[tedster]

Wow, this is the first time I read about this (the initial posting that is) Of course I have this burning curiosity of what it was about. Pom had a tough choice and he made the right choice. It is scary what they can do. Let it be a warning, don't publicize any illegal actions before during or after on any illegal actions. And my 2¢ is that Propaganda of the Deed has been historically very ineffective. Just don't deliberately hurt somebody that doesn't threaten you with violence.

[|Y|]

I personally believe I know who was the one writing extremely threatening comments on the Infoshop.org news feed. I mentioned their name in the thread but I let it go after that. Let's just say that after that incident we didn't hear much from that person.

[donny]

FBI investigating incidents on subdomains hosted by flag.blackened.net.

OK folks, here's the real deal as far as I can share it legally at the moment. Consider it as a press release if you wish and feel free to distribute it for whatever reason you deem necessary.

I'm under court order not to speak about specifics and have my attorney trying to find out what the maximum penalty for disclosure really is. I hate to have to keep my mouth shut in areas where the Gestapo is involved, but I also have to weigh things against the overall security of flag and it's subdomains and also the wellbeing of my family.

I have been ordered to submit IP info on two separate incidents having to do with subdomains hosted on flag. Both of these are in regard to claimed or threatened responsibility for acts of propaganda by the deed. Both incidents involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion.

At this point let me say, in all honesty and conviction, that if I end up dead by strange means - suicide, overdose, drunk driving accident (I never, ever, ever drink and drive), "accidental" gunshot to the back of the head while sleeping ala Fred Hampton, car jacking, or anything else reasonably suspicious, contact the FBI in Chico, California for more details.

I have called numerous friends nationwide, anarchists and otherwise whose opinions I respect and who I know will be honest and forthwith in their opinions to ask them how I should proceed. The unanimous consensus is that I comply with the wishes of the FBI and provide the IP addresses responsible. The only point of discussion, really, has been whether or not I should reveal the specific information in violation of two court orders.

Really, I am not left with much of a choice. Here are my two choices as I see them:

1. Do not comply with the wishes of the FBI. This will most likely lead to the seizure of flag and a compromise of all the sites and information online. It will probably also lead to me being imprisoned, I would guess. I personally do not fear this, but I am the sole support for my wife and infant daughter. There can be no doubt we would probably lose our home as a result.

2. Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count on the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades in the anarchist movement worldwide.

Though it pains me to comply with the State in any manner, I have to choose option #2. The people who have foolishly compromised us all will shoulder the burden for their selfish actions. Frankly folks, they know better - we all know better.

I was first contacted by the Oakland FBI. Many of you know their history. We are talking COINTELPRO for real - not a perceived or mythical fear. They are proven murderers and automatons for the state who will blindly follow any order to kill or disrupt without question. Read the history of their disinformation campaign against the panthers if you don't believe me. The panther comic book which they completed and distributed, the fake letters between Huey and Eldridge, the fires of hatred and murder they faked and inflamed between the panthers and the US or "united slaves" which led to the murder of Bunchy Carter and John Higgins in L.A., the list goes on and on.

But, the real point is that I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades, even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in me, flag, and it's subdomains. This can't be avoided and it's something I weighed into my decision. I post this mainly to inform you all and give you opportunity to make your own decisions as to whether I've handled this correctly and whether you wish to use flag or it's subdomains in the future. If you don't trust me, I understand, believe me.

It is by far the most agonizing decision I've been faced with in relation to my anarchist opinions.

This is why we do not discuss certain things as if they are a legitimate part of anarchism. Resist the extra y-chromosome influenced urge to sound more hardcore than the guy next to you. Nobody is impressed and the powers that be are sitting on the edges of their seats waiting for an excuse to shut down flag. Freedom of speech does not exist, don't try to test it. They will come bust down your door - for real - point a gun to your head and pull the trigger if you refuse to comply.

Believe it.

Your admin,

Dave

i understand the decision you made, dont be so hard on yourself.
as strong as my belifes in anarchism are i would set them aside for the wellbeing of my loved ones.
so yeah dont take it so hard, your just looking out for your family,
most people would do the same

[cruentos solum]

For whatever it's worth, the people in question, uh, who supposedly caused all this 'neural' upset, aren't really guilty of anything other than pointing the finger to some stuff that's unnerving, really. They're not terrorists or anything.
Euh, how can I explain this? The story goes a long way. But sometimes, fake evidence is amateur stuff. Some people have access to some pretty amazing 'technology'. Evil, has technically won and the world is being run by the scum of this planet. But that, ironically, says this:
1. The people who rule the world are evil.
2. The good people are their prey. ( pray to God, anyone? or just prey to God, anyone? )
3. This is something peculiar isn't it? Much of the problems of this planet arise from confusion. Who would you attack if you were to instore justice? You wouldn't know where to start. Terrorism is a Good example. Those people think they're doing the right thing but the problem is that there is absolutely little or no contact between civilizations that people often tend to think their problems' source is elsewhere. When it's somewhere else. For e.g. the U.S. might be backing Israel and its killing thousands of Palestinians. Palestinians could defend themselves and retaliate but they can't because they are outnumbered and because the Israelis have ultra modern weapons and funds provided by the U.S. So technically speaking, if the U.S. didn't provide that stuff, Israel would be in danger. But wait a minute, Palestinians go on thinking it's the U.S. they should deal with. That's simple really, like the medieval ages, find an American, and kill him. Problem is in the U.S. nobody is guilty of anything. Nobody even knows why or how the American weapons end up in Israel and nobody cares, really.
Somebody is enjoying life on this planet as is, because it allows them access to some things you wouldn't have under normal circumstances. Imagine someone enjoys killing other people for a sport. You couldn't have that in a 'perfect' society now would you. Or other unpleasant things like sex with any passing stranger or homosexuality... When people are 'caught up' in a system of things, they tend to seek comfort and in seeking comfort, they compromise some moral values which should never be compromised. But they don't really have a choice, because it isn't them taking the decisions.
The F.B.I., the C.I.A., all these governments and leaders and so on are just chess pawns. They're not even the major pieces. The true players are sitting behind this watching and 'picking', 'harvesting' when it seems appropriate. Euh, I know because I've been so close... Only no matter how close you get, you can't possibly get anywhere because the confusion reaches 'astronomical' units and things get really blurry.
I think I know who is behind this all though. Something like the illuminati. Well, they're not illuminati or anything. They just think they're 'better'. The 'best'. Chosen. And thus control people's fates. That's all. They are superior and while everyone was busy living, they worked a way of enforcing their superiority and it worked. Nobody has a clue what's been happening because it mainly was behind closed curtains. People have fought back because it's logical to fight back oppression. But it seems those fights were against the wrong opponents. Everything was socially engineered from religion to evolution and so on. The real reasons are no longer apparent but that's also for a reason.
I have some stuff to say about the subject if you are interested:
http://www.rebo.viens.la
And these two posts should help too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/F1 ... ad=5569922
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/F7 ... ad=5548550

By the way, when the F.B.I. hassle somebody they don't hassle them because they want some IPs. They HAVE the IPs for christ's sake. They know more about your website than you do probably and that's why they wanted to give you a 'push'. Euh, see the thing is, if they attack you from the angle 'you did something wrong' then you'll be like 'no It's my right to do this'. But if they say 'you helped somebody do something wrong by doing this and this so you can't be allowed to do this anymore', then, oups.
You did the right thing by complying, but that is one step closer to submission to their will, which is inevitably the same whether you comply or not: the website, will be gone, or controlled.
Anyways, you will think twice before putting anything on here that might compromise not yourself but their safety. And technically speaking, whenever anyone gets 'close' they tend to get distracted and disoriented and out of topic.
The people of which we speak live in Canada.
Canada, that 'mostly' harmless country, is the source of all problems of this world.
Even though you might regard it as heaven.
Not Canada the country. No, that's just a place. Some people, who are very, very few in relation to the number of people that exist, and which is why they have to 'hide' their oppression and use 'weapons' and other people, because if the whole world finds out its 21 jerks doing all this then they'd be in a bad spot wouldn't they?
Problem is simple, some people control the world and everyone's beliefs. Look at the media and you'll simply understand what's going on. These people play us like the lotto, and sip us like martini with the olives.
Euh, I've tried so hard to fight them but I end up causing myself so much pain and trouble I was wondering if I could just delegate this to the public and hope someone might get a clue as to what is going on because it's really, really hard to keep your 'concentration' and not take the wrong exit out of the highway. Kind of like, temptations, problems, circumstances... Everything just get messy. Even what you know and believe just disappears and is replaced by something insane.
The problem with this is that everything seems pre written. If anyone is familiar with DNA and his books, you will find the books are shockingly descriptive. That's why they tend to make you feel good don't they? They also tend to give me some inkling suspicion about my future because they always do. That and I think I was DNA in a previous lifetime.... Bleah:) Insanity doesn't stop for me but that's something I had to sort of learn how to live with, even predicted. Wonko the sane, Arthur on prehistoric earth, that sort of stuff. Anyways, the books almost say it to the letter.
Sick of being a hero, I think I might have done something right somewhere or sometime. I think. Because I can't at all be sure. The thing is I can't know what it is or they will know what it is and fix it. But then I don't know what it is so I don't know what it is or if it will happen or how or when or why and so on... Only that the way the world is laid out today, is pretty pretty suggestive. Don't worry about anything really because it's the intentions that count, and basically everything could be fogriven by society, anything but manipulating it and that only relates to 21 people, really. I think. And their spouses. I think. I also think the spouses aren't really with them or something like that. I have no idea.

Anyways, sincerely,

C.S.

Cheers

[Kornfanja]

Personally, i regard myself not as an anarchist, but more of a human being seeking rights. but, i would comply with the FBI, would you rather be hated by people on the interenet, or would you rather sadden your wife and baby? no matter how important you feel not complying is, dismiss it, because family is always first.


btw, i thought this was America "land of the free", why are the persicuteing you for your political views, such hypocrisy in this country, we defeat England, only to become them later.

[Yarrow]

the best trick in blackmail or coercion has to be putting pressure on the family. because most people will drop their beliefs for someone they love. i guess it depends upon the pressure, and the other people involved. if i was the 'bait' in this situ, i'd say see you later, i'll be fine.

[Pomegranate]

basically some people posted some things that we all know they shouldn't have. death threats, what appeared to be taking credit for a bombing...one some pages I host. so they FBI took interest in things.

haven't been contacted by them since.

[Guns]

basically some people posted some things that we all know they shouldn't have. death threats, what appeared to be taking credit for a bombing...one some pages I host. so they FBI took interest in things.

haven't been contacted by them since.

Doesn't this mean they follow every post on this forum? If they were able to find those threatening posts...?

[ambi]

flag hosts a lot of sites, not just this forum...

in any case, everything you say on the net is recorded.. just assume it is so...

[Pomegranate]

basically some people posted some things that we all know they shouldn't have. death threats, what appeared to be taking credit for a bombing...one some pages I host. so they FBI took interest in things.

haven't been contacted by them since.

Doesn't this mean they follow every post on this forum? If they were able to find those threatening posts...?

The pages in question were not in the forums. They were in sites which I host on flag but which are not in the blackened.net domain.

And yes, the government reads everything, of course. Especially if they're investigating a spree of bombings and you happened to post on the internet that it would happen again. They don't have a very good sense of humor about such things.

And again, such things aren't a legitimate part of the discussion here anyway. I'm not into propaganda by the deed, and if you are, then nothing is more stupid than posting info about your actions or intentions on a public web site.

[|Y|]

Pom did you get your monthly rat check? I just got mine and it's half what it was last month! Fucking economy!

[Pomegranate]

Pom did you get your monthly rat check? I just got mine and it's half what it was last month! Fucking economy!

Those deep cuts by the Bush administration really hurt!