FBI investigation info

[Pomegranate]

I honestly don't know how these bastards sleep at night (or day). I just got done watching "the Matrix" trilogy and am astounded at how accurate the analogies are. The Wichousky Brothers (sp) are wickedly genius for mapping out the storyline of those 3 films (one mega-film actually).

It wasn't their genius.
http://www.playahata.com/pages/intervie ... artpt1.htm

amazing

[AbyssalBlackGate]

i support your decision pom; and i know its a hard decision for you to make. i too would be quite reluctant to cooperate with the authorities in such a manner, but given the circumstances i would probably make the same choice you did.

[NB]

"i support your decision pom; and i know its a hard decision for you to make. i too would be quite reluctant to cooperate with the authorities in such a manner, but given the circumstances i would probably make the same choice you did."

As would most people.

Yet, it *still* means that one wasn't following the anarchistic ideology, at least at that instance. Which people honest to themselves would acknowledge.

[Aaron]

"i support your decision pom; and i know its a hard decision for you to make. i too would be quite reluctant to cooperate with the authorities in such a manner, but given the circumstances i would probably make the same choice you did."

As would most people.

Yet, it *still* means that one wasn't following the anarchistic ideology, at least at that instance. Which people honest to themselves would acknowledge.

You haven't a clue what "anarchist ideology" is, so you're hardly warranted to make such statements.

[tsihcrana laicos]

Maybe this has already been said.

Either of Poms choices were to submit to authority.
One, by going to jail, the other, by handing over IPs.

Thats the thing with authority, its hardly your choice.

[fwerd]

I just started at the end of the thread, so someone else might have suggested this.

In phpbb, you can just erase all the IP address that it logs straight at the SQL database layer. Basically you should run a cronjob, which can call a perl or php script that replaces all ip with something like 1.1.1.1 or 0.0.0.0 or whatever. for phpBB this information is stored in the "phpbb_hosts" table, and the field name is called "poster_ip".

Something like this might work:
<?
// put mysql connection string here
$rc=mysql_query("UPDATE phpbb_hosts SET poster_ip = '000000");
?>

run this every hour or so through cron and voila, no more ip's being logged.

[Lady Jaye]

Okay, there are pages and pages, but my opion counts rightt?


I think every situation is different. I don't know what the posts said and who wrote them, but I know some people get very "i am such an anachist" and post stuff that is just dumb to post on a forum such as this, putting everyone in danger... Dave shouldnt have to pay for stupidity.

But I dont think having a family is an excuse for protecting yourself. We all make choices. So don't say that. It makes things more complicated. I mean...protect yourself, but dont use "having a family" in this discussion about cooperating with the Feds. Being anarchists in this country at this time is not good for your family. Especially if you are involved with political stuff and running internet communities... I hope you talk about this with your family...or your friends if you think you might give them up to protect yourself or your family (not you dave, I just mean anyone here with a family). Things get serious and complicated when you get older and you start caring more and have resposibility, and you have kids, old parents who are old and have no money. The personal burden grows...but then so does other things...

[Lord Voltara]

"Your so full of it, If you have the balls to say it then you should back it up.
not hide behind your wife and child. no one likes a snich, not even the FBI.
what your saying is When push comes to shove you will give up everything you have said, so you never really meant it in the 1st place.
better to die on your feet than live on your knees"


I smell bacon

[Gabriel666]

>Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count >on the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades >in the anarchist movement worldwide.

A few points here on political freedom.

Consider a few anti-Communists for example:

A: Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham.

Franklin called publicly for America to 'nuke Iraq.' The chances of him being prosecuted for inciting violence against millions of people are almost non-existent. He would simply cry the mantras of 'discrimination' and 'political freedom.'

B: TV evangelist Pat Robertson.

Robertson recently called for the US to execute Venezuelan president Chavez and take over the government.

Again the chances of him being prosecuted for inciting violence are almost non-existent. He would simply cry 'discrimination' and political freedom.


C: The Internet Nazis (such as www.stormfront.org)

I have read numerous posts on stormfront which incite violence against Jews, Communists, gays, non-whites. Many of the posters on stormfront are overt supporters of Hitler's politicies (war and genocide). Again the chances of them being prosecuted for inciting violence are almost non-existent. They could simply cry 'discrimination' and 'political freedom;' after all you can buy Mein Kampf in almost any large bookshop.

D: The Korean Moon cult.

Moon who claims to be the non Jewish version of the Jewish Messiah (the 2nd Coming of Christ) calls for gays, communists and opponents of his cult to be 'sent to the spiritual world,' and for example he overtly financed the Bolivian cocaine coup led by neo-Nazis (where the political left were rounded up, tortured, raped and murdered) and he overtly financed the Nicaraguan Contras. Again the chances of them being prosecuted for inciting violence are almost non-existent. He could simply cry 'discrimination' and 'political freedom.

Some Communist examples.

There are numerous examples of Marxist Internet sites and discussion forums which call for armed violent global revolution against the world's current economic masters; that is what Marx believed and therefore what 'all' Marxists believe. Again the chances of them being successfully prosecuted for inciting violence are slim. They could simply cry 'discrimination' and 'political freedom.

www.luciferia.tv

On my internet site and my Internet / Usenet essays I have long called for nuclear guerilla war against the financial and military command and control centres. I do not post anonymously; the police know exactly who I am and where I am. I have discussed this with my lawyer (who works for a Jewish law firm well known for defending politicals) and my position is quite simple, if Franklin Graham can call for nuclear war against Iraq and arm's manufacturer Moon can call for the execution of all gays, communists, antui-cultists, etc., and the Nazis can call for the re-implimentation of Hitler's policies, then it would be discriminatory for them to prosecute me and not the aforementioned.

I think that you need to raise the issue of political freedom and discrimination with your lawyers. If they have issues with apocalyptic militant Anarchists and not with apocalyptic miltiant Christians such as Robertson, Graham and Moon, then it seems to me that this is a clear case of discrimination.

Of course one must bear in mind that the purpose of the Anglo American false flag operations such as the twin towers 9/11 and London 7/7 is to instroduce new legislation which will give them the power to eliminate all political opponents, and ultimately once they or their enemies start using nuclear weapons we can expect martial law and internment without trial; that is what they want after all.

> I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades >in the >anarchist movement worldwide.

Not at all; anyone who is committed to an Anarchist Final Solution should not be posting anonymously anyway. In fact I go out of my way to incite armed violent political revolution, and I probably have some kind of record for being excommunicated from debating forums; even the Hammas (militant anti-Israelis - suicide bombers) excommunicated me for being too extreme, but the problem that the police face in prosecuting me is that they would have to either 'illegally discriminate against me' or arrest all militant cultists (including the Masonic cultists such as my father who constitute the higher echelons of the police, military and judiciary, since they swear oaths to ritually disembowel their enemies / apostates). I think it more likley that I will just 'dissapear' one day.

Gabriel

The first enemy of any government is its own people.....Orwell
The revolution must become a brutal killing machine...Guevara.




Courage.

I would also add that it takes courage to overtly take on the military masters of the planet since they have a long history of torture and murder. It is those who overtly oppose them and wage propaganda war against them who are the courageous; their propaganda and intelligence mercenaries after all are the ones who hide behind anonimity and the power of the police state. The children of future history will despise them as traitors to humanity and they will love and remember those who resisted them. Kingdoms and tyrants rise but they always find resistance and fall in the end.

[jonnyv1cious]

HEY NSA, FUCK YOU

[|Y|]

Hope you're posting via Tor, public proxy, or other anonymous entity (ssh tunnel via bnc or some shit).

[birthday pony]

hey dude
i don't really care whether your choice was in line with anarchy, as no one else should, because you did what was right. that's what matters, who cares about the principal or whatever? you did alright.

[Cannot register]

In the future, you might want to consider destroying the information. Or better yet, not saving it in the first place. I'm not sure what would be involved in randomizing all the IP data, but that would physically keep both you and the FBI from discovering people's IP addresses. Then, the most they can do is to ask your ISP to give them a wiretap, or force you to accept spyware on your server. If you can encrypt the forum, a wiretap will be useless, since they'll only be able to see much how much data people are sending and receiving, not what the data is. If they force you to accept FBI spyware, I think they'll have to at least let you know, so you can warn people if the forum is being monitored. Unless they force you to be quiet about it... In that case, you might simply have your server report how much total RAM it uses, and how much RAM each program uses. When there's more total RAM in use than the RAM added up from the listed programs, we'll know it's time to shut up about anything illegal.

[|Y|]

There were many SQL tips in this thread about setting up cron jobs to remove IPs once a day or hour or whatever. It's actually not too hard, just makes spam keeping a bit annoying. But it looks like Cataloup got that handled nicely, so I don't see why not.

I'll still use Tor when not stealing internet though.

You can bet this forum is being monitored, and it's not at the software level, it's the packets that go into the sever room. Sad but probably true.

[asshole]

if they did that shit to me, i'd hypotheticly think about taking a stroll down to the police station with some sharp scissors. yep.