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Right to Work Laws

Postby Howard509 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:42 am

Is there an anarchist position on right to work laws? Should workers be given the choice whether or not to pay union dues?
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Francois Tremblay » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:45 am

It's a lot easier to see the trivial nature of your questions if you trim the context:

Is there an anarchist position on... laws? Should workers be given... choice?
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Howard509 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:46 am

Francois Tremblay wrote:It's a lot easier to see the trivial nature of your questions if you trim the context:

Is there an anarchist position on... laws? Should workers be given... choice?


Do you know what right to work laws are?
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Francois Tremblay » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:47 am

This is the sound of you missing the point. :roll:
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Yarrow » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:49 am

i guess you're asking for voiced anarchist positions on right to work laws.

i know what you're saying about union fees though, it sucks when you're getting screwed over continually for someone else's negligence/ignorance.
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby @4CDPEFCT » Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:48 am

Look at who's behind something for clues about where to stand on it. Right-to-work is an anti-labor thing pushed by business owners. So if you're pro-labor then you might not want to support that. It's just a clue, doesn't mean anything concrete. But it's a starting point. See if you can oppose right-to-work without contradicting anarchism. We've all got biases. The trick is to fit them together. If you can't make one fit, ditch it. But don't ditch it just because it somebody makes a plausible argument against it. Maybe you can counter their argument and save your bias without contradicting yourself. That's the art. I'm biased against right-to-work. Haven't thought about it from anarchism yet though. Hope I can keep that bias.
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Zazaban » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:25 am

Francois Tremblay wrote:It's a lot easier to see the trivial nature of your questions if you trim the context:

Is there an anarchist position on... laws? Should workers be given... choice?

This.
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby jack » Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:27 pm

Howard509 wrote:Is there an anarchist position on right to work laws? Should workers be given the choice whether or not to pay union dues?


Opposing it means tacit support for scabs.
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Howard509 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:27 pm

@4CDPEFCT wrote:Right-to-work is an anti-labor thing pushed by business owners. So if you're pro-labor then you might not want to support that.


Historically, workers fed up with being mistreated by unions have been the driving force behind right to work laws. My final project in labor studies was on the right to work movement. While businesses have contributed financially to right to work organizations, one should not ignore how important workers themselves have been in this. Would an anarchist who believes in freedom of association and freedom from theft support compulsory union dues?
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby AndyMalroes » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:39 pm

one should not ignore how important workers themselves have been in this.

Seriously, do you copy this shit from a text-book?

(I was talking about how it's worded)
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Howard509 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:43 pm

AndyMalroes wrote:
one should not ignore how important workers themselves have been in this.

Seriously, do you copy this shit from a text-book?

(I was talking about how it's worded)


No, I did my own research. There was no book assigned to me on this subject. Are you not used to educated people talking?
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Zazaban » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:27 am

Howard509 wrote:
AndyMalroes wrote:
one should not ignore how important workers themselves have been in this.

Seriously, do you copy this shit from a text-book?

(I was talking about how it's worded)


No, I did my own research. There was no book assigned to me on this subject. Are you not used to educated people talking?

Wow, what an appalingly elitist thing to say.
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby AndyMalroes » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:29 am

Wow, what an appalingly elitist thing to say.

This.
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby Yarrow » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:39 am

AndyMalroes wrote:
one should not ignore how important workers themselves have been in this.

Seriously, do you copy this shit from a text-book?

(I was talking about how it's worded)


what an appalingly elitist thing to say.

'one' does have a valid meaning, it refers to all readers. if someone's going to call me on my correct use of english, they can be sure i'm going to get proud (and defensive too).
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Re: Right to Work Laws

Postby AndyMalroes » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:45 am

Yarrow wrote:
AndyMalroes wrote:
one should not ignore how important workers themselves have been in this.

Seriously, do you copy this shit from a text-book?

(I was talking about how it's worded)


what an appalingly elitist thing to say.

'one' does have a valid meaning, it refers to all readers. if someone's going to call me on my correct use of english, they can be sure i'm going to get proud (and defensive too).

sure it has a valid meaning, but who the fuck talks/writes like that unless they want to feel like they are more 'educated' than other people. I'm not saying we should bring everyone to the lowest common denominator, but seriously?
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