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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:55 pm 
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Look at it this way: You validate everything the state has at its disposal, the laws, the enforcers, the jurists, the executioners by committing violence against any of its agents.


No I don't. Unless you're a statist of course......

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Violent acts anyone here is prepared to commit in the name of some cause do nothing but legitimize state's existence, purpose, and methods.


Hogwash. Violence against an illegitimate occupying force can never be said to be illegitimate. You're just eating up the propaganda the state feeds you.

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Think of the state as a concern troll on this bulletin board. What's the best way to deal with a concern troll? Nourish it with a flame war? Or starve it through neglect?


Except you can't 'neglect' the state they control everything within their given territorial area, they set the rules and codes of conducts and if you don't follow them they send in the army and police. You're completely deluded if you think you can just ignore the state and hope that it goes away.

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Violence is always wrong.


Petty Moralism.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.


That's nice.

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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:13 pm 
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For example the australian people are a peace loving people. We are a loving culture. Hate and violence are very unaustralian.

But that doesnt mean an australian doesnt get angry when another australian is hard done by. It'll make us more angry then most people because we love people and we don't want to see them be disrespected.

Australians are anarchist.


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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:11 pm 
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For example the australian people are a peace loving people. We are a loving culture. Hate and violence are very unaustralian.

But that doesnt mean an australian doesnt get angry when another australian is hard done by. It'll make us more angry then most people because we love people and we don't want to see them be disrespected.

Australians are anarchist.

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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:25 pm 
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Violence is always wrong.
Two wrongs don't make a right.


Your math skills suck. Had that been the case, then we all would be german speaking fascists.

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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:32 am 
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1st kind of violence:
Foucault says that in the capitalism the violence is sublimated, so following the same author, the caracter of capitalism is the mental illness per excellence nowadays, the negation of violence. For the consumism to reach his higher levels the violence is detestable as can be infered. We are here speaking about the violence between workers or between equal or similar ideologies which is the searched one. Not the violence of the opressed against power, that is other subject or the much more extreme violence of the state's against the opressed.

2nd kind of violence:
Is meaningful to appoint counting the amount of deaths of about how many muslims subdits from invaded countries have died in comparison with the origin of the conflict and the terror politics of blood and masacres against civil population of invader armies.

3rd kind of violence:
The repression forces of the states and his institutions work for the capitalism and the benefits of unsustainable development. The law of the strenght forces the subdits even to tought to think and do what is more useful for the state's and his dogmas.


  
 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
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Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, "he that is not with me is against me". The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle...is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security. [...] I am not interested in pacifism as a "moral phenomenon". [Those who] imagine that one can somehow "overcome" the German army by lying on one's back [may] go on imagining it, but let them also wonder occasionally whether this is not an illusion due to security, too much money and a simple ignorance of the way in which things actually happen. As an ex-Indian civil servant, it always makes me shout with laughter to hear, for instance, Gandhi named as an example of the success of non-violence. As long as twenty years ago it was cynically admitted in Anglo-Indian circles that Gandhi was very useful to the British government. So he will be to the Japanese if they get there. Despotic governments can stand "moral force" till the cows come home; what they fear is physical force.


George Orwell, "Pacifism and the War", 1942

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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
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an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but getting rid of the defective eye (state) with the fork is fine.
now this is more like it, revolutionary, not evolutionary

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lookin at the book now, definitly propaganda of the deed stuff, all good

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Supporting violence =/= supporting propaganda by the deed. Propaganda by the deed is an outdated tactic that brought more repression for the Anarchist movement then it did good. I'm in the process of writing on that subject right now.

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Supporting violence =/= supporting propaganda by the deed. Propaganda by the deed is an outdated tactic that brought more repression for the Anarchist movement then it did good. I'm in the process of writing on that subject right now.

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 Post subject: Re: How Nonviolence Protects the State
PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:50 pm 
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Necessary and sufficient violence in kind. Simply put. Anyone who opposes that, is telling victims to lay down and die.


  
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