The top 200 Noam Chomsky Lies?

[El Guest]

Noam Chomsky is someone I, and assumeing many of you, admire. I do not always agree with him, but I usualy belive that he brings reasurch and an honesty to his writings and opinions that seems to be missing a lot lately. That's why I was surprised when I saw this:

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

I am wondering, what are your opninions on this? Is he lieing himself, or is there truth to what he is saying? This is the first and only seemingly concrete critisism I have seen of Chomsky so far, and I would like to know why, and if there is an validity to it.

[Guest]

I didn't read through the whole thing - just seems like a typical right-wing smear job.

However, I'd be the first to stand up and proclaim that Chomsky is a lowlife.

Let's start with basics: he lived on a Kibbutz and has recently said "I consider myself a supporter of the State of Israel." This demonstrates clearly that the man is morally challenged. His recent attempts to work with Fatah are also very revealing - since the Palestinians threw Fatah out on their asses a long time ago. Why doesn't Chomsky try to work with the democratically elected leaders of Palestine?

The best criticisms of Chomsky come from the left - Michael Parenti's work is a good example. Chomsky insists that Oswald was the lone shooter and that 9/11 was the work of Arabs when the history and evidence clearly do not support either notion. I realize there's a lot of undercover patriots who call themselves anarchists who agree with Chomsky on those points, but Chomsky's own words demonstrate the real problem, which is independent of a particular issue:

This is what Chomsky says when someone asks him if he's a conspiracy theorist: "As soon as you describe elementary reality and attribute minimal rationality to people with power - well that's fine as along as it's an enemy, but if it's part of domestic power, it's a "conspiracy theory" and you're not supposed to talk about it...So, the first thing I would suggest is, drop the term."

And this is what Chomsky says when a well-known Canadian journalist when he brought up 9/11 truth: "Look, this is just conspiracy theory."

No matter if you're honest about 9/11 or stupid/malicious enough to believe the official story, you can see clearly that Chomsky's not an honest party to the discussion. First he advises that the term be dropped, then he uses it as an epithet in *exactly* the same way it's been used against him - and simply because those he accuses have "describe[d] elementary reality and attribute[d] minimal rationality to people with power."

Check out Parenti's writing on Chomsky...

[Infinite]

I think a major problem today is that the conspiracy movement, as in the people who specialize in exposing false flag operations and such, are largely right-wing patriot conservatives. And on the left there are few who are willing to delve deeply in these matters and instead ridicule them like Chomsky and unfortunately a lot of anarchists. I'd like to see a lot of the Alex Jones supporters and right libertarians be brought over to (left) anarchism, b/c I believe that if they were given a more accurate synopsis of the political situation as a whole they would find it to be a more logical conclusion. For example the patriot leaders don't talk about how the founders like Madison said that the main purpose in writing the constitution and creating the government was to protect their property, the property of the opulent. At least the working class truthers would be potential anarchists I think.

I also think it sucks how Parenti and Ralph Schoenman identify as Marxists and not anarchists

[Guest]

repeat: "No matter if you're honest about 9/11 or stupid/malicious enough to believe the official story, you can see clearly that Chomsky's not an honest party to the discussion. First he advises that the term be dropped, then he uses it as an epithet in *exactly* the same way it's been used against him - and simply because those he accuses have "describe[d] elementary reality and attribute[d] minimal rationality to people with power."

Yes, it's a shame that Parenti is stuck in Marxism. It's also a shame that you've chosen to use epithets yourself. According to you, anyone who brings up 9/11 truth is a part of the "conspiracy movement" who are most likely "right-wing patriot conservatives" and "Alex Jones supporters" who are incapable of of arriving at a "logical conclusion."

The honest advocates of 9/11 truth (and, yes, there are dishonest ones as well) are doing exactly what Chomsky said: describing elementary reality and attributing minimal rationality to people with power. Given that in each and every case of major US wars, the pinpointed cause has always ended up being a deception, it is wholly unreaonable to cast honest 9/11 truth advocates as being unreasonable. Occam's Razor demonstrates this clearly and further demonstrates that believers in the official story - be they conservatives, anarchists, or members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster - are advocating the extraordinary, and therefore less-likely-to-be-true, case.

That he chooses to act in this manner makes it perfectly legitimate to start distrusting Noam "I regard myself as a supporter of the state of Israel" Chomsky.

[tedster]

Paul Bogdanor is a right winged asshole who supports Zionism. Nuff said

[Infinite]

Yes, it's a shame that Parenti is stuck in Marxism. It's also a shame that you've chosen to use epithets yourself. According to you, anyone who brings up 9/11 truth is a part of the "conspiracy movement" who are most likely "right-wing patriot conservatives" and "Alex Jones supporters" who are incapable of of arriving at a "logical conclusion."

What I said: "I think a major problem today is that the conspiracy movement, as in the people who specialize in exposing false flag operations and such, are largely right-wing patriot conservatives." Largely, as in many or the majority not 'anyone who brings it up'.

[AnarchistEpoch]

as in the people who specialize in exposing false flag operations and such, are largely right-wing patriot conservatives.

Maybe but I don't know. The majority of conspiracy theorists don't really seem to be conservative patriots from what I've seen/heard. I don't really care though.