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by **Guest** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:06 pm

Julian Sanchez covered the event in Reason online: "At the WTO talks in Cancun, Bureaucrash activists set up a "fair trade vs free trade" soda stand, allowing thirsty protesters to decide whether they wanted to pay jacked up "fair" soda prices. Most, surprise surprise, did not. Some "anarchists" then enacted their own form of trade barrier-cum-censorship by forming a human chain around the 'Crashers. I guess this is the version of "anarchism" where all the things governments do are actually OK, so long as they're instead done by black-clad mobs imbued with superior social conscience. Maybe we should rename it "sanctimoniocracy.""

by **Guest** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:15 pm

at a large university some republicans put up a "affirmative action soda stand" with higher prices for whites and lower prices for racial minorities. does this mean that college republicans are radically pro-affirmative action? no. it means they wanted to criticize affirmative action by showing how stupid it is. you must either be incredibly stupid or think that we are incredibly stupid. you probably think it's the latter, to which begs the question: why do you want to spend time talking to people who you think are stupid?

by **Rjak** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:35 pm

I would point out that "Reason" is a periodical based on the extremist ideas of Ayn Rand, which, if implemented, would collapse society entirely. It is hardly a credible or even sane source for information.

by **Yuda** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:59 pm

[color=red]"Reason" is a periodical based on the extremist ideas of Ayn Rand That would explain why I've never heard of it

by **Rjak** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:35 pm

[img]/wwwthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I only have because there was a paper insert advertising for it in the copy of "Anthem" that I had to read for English class last year. What a horrid book.

by **chiggins** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:57 pm

Reason is not based on the ideas of Ayn Rand. Reason is the monthly print magazine of “free minds and free markets.” It covers politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. Reason provides a refreshing alternative to right-wing and left-wing opinion magazines by making a principled case for liberty and individual choice in all areas of human activity. While many of the articles may be consistent with objectivism, it is not an objectivist publication. I'm also not sure if the ideas of Rand are "extremist."

by **Guest** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:43 pm

"Reason is not based on the ideas of Ayn Rand. " gettin chiggy wid it. nah nah nah-nah nah nah nah. hasn't stopped lying since the day he started, day one.

by **Guest** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:21 pm

how do you know he's lying about reason not being based on the ideas of ayn rand?,do you have evidence to the contary?

by **Guest** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:30 pm

reason was founded/edited by three people... Bob Poole: -founder, reason magazine -founder, reason foundation -advisor, institute for objectivist studies -trustee, institute for objectivist studies -quote: "Q: Do you consider yourself an "Objectivist" or just a sympathizer? Poole: More than anything else, I’m an Objectivist." Tibor Machan: -founder, reason magazine -founder, reason foundation -author, Ayn Rand "No ifs, ands, or buts: if you admire Ayn Rand and her work—or just want to understand better what she achieved—this book is a mandatory addition to your library. A brilliant analysis of a heroic thinker, by a heroic thinker. " Lanny Friedlander : -orignal founder, reason magazine -quote:"Way back in the late sixties, when I was a wee lad, a pen pal of mine by the name of Lanny Friedlander, who lived (I recall) up in Euston, Massachusetts, announced in a letter that he was planning to put out a new libertarian [sic] magazine. ... There was some discussion, back and forth, as to the name, and various alternatives were in the running initially: Liberty, The Libertarian, and The New Radical (my own suggestion) were all considered, but in the end Lanny's devotion to the philosophy of Ayn Rand won out and Reason it was." -- justin raimondo i suppose ANSWER/IAC/WWP can go around saying "we not stalinists" just like these authoritarian liars say "oh, we're not based on ayn rand, oh no...we're based on 'reason'" -- but it's still a lie. so, yer buddy chiggy's a liar, just like the day he walked in here not knowing the difference between vietnam and cambodia.

by **Rjak** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:26 pm

What is your source for these bios that you have given?

by **Din** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:29 pm

I'm sure that "bio" was written and compiled by the anonymous him/herself. The Robert Poole quote came from this interview. I've seen the quoted comment on Tibor Machan before from a review of his book on Ayn Rand. I do not have a source of it bookmarked on my computer. And a quick search on Justin Raimondo's site at antiwar.com revealed that the quoted comment on Lanny Friedlander came from this article. All three of them - not Raimondo - are objectivists. There is no question about that.

by **Guest** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:15 am

well,I've been to the site before since I read mainstream Libertarian stuff from time to time(Harry Browne had some great articles opposing the Iraq war) and not all of their stuff is Objectivist.I was pretty sure Objectivtism was pretty much a cult with fixed viewpoints on a lot of things

by **chiggins** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:18 am

Not everyone who writes for Reason is an Objectivist. You see, unlike Marxist-socialists, Libertarians actually tolerate dissenting opinion. Go to any university and see that liberal professors outnumber conservatives by a factor of 10 to 1. This is because Marxists hire marxists and assume that anyone else is a capitalist pig fit to be assassinated. In fact, I would venture to say that many Marxists view Anarchists as mindless, black-clad thugs, who will do the dirty violent work of the "revolution". After state Communism is put into place, you guys might quickly become an endangered species. and note, this refers to leftist-reactionary anarchism.

by **Pomegranate** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:24 am

i know the publishers of reason and they are objectivists. or at least, they were a few years ago. sure, they arent "based on the ideas of ayn rand" any more than the rest of the u.s. libertarians, so i guess "idol worship" is the best way to put it. i used to subscribe to reason, back in my u.s. libertarian days. have a ton of back issues somewhere. always funny to hear them criticize the anarchists, of course.

by **chiggins** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:25 am

from the eyewitnesses themsevles... http://bureaucrash.com/blogs/hq/000550.shtml A group of anarchists formed a human chain around the Crashers because, like governments, they wanted to limit the peaceful trade between individuals. Or maybe the were tired of their fellow protestors looking like fools. Later a Mexican vendor set up shop in the exact same spot so his supply could meet their demand. I hardly think the anarchists were attempting to do anything intellectual or symbolic here. I think they were just pissed off someone was making them look like a bunch of idiots.

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