Anarchists or mobsters?

[Guest]

it has already been proven conclusively that the poster "chiggins" is a liar. simply read this thread. <br> <br>and of course when our little chiggy tells lies, now is the time when we dance! <br> <br>gettin chiggy wid it! nah nah nah-nah nahnahnah <br> <br>

[Steiners]

Here's what the anarchists should have done: <br> <br>Let the Bureaucrash sell their free-trade sodas and make some money. As they leave, point to an arbitrary piece of paper showing that the anarchists claim to own the soda stand. Then, steal the profits made by Bureaucrash and give a small percentage of it back. Ahh, the wonders of "free trade"!!

[s_martkino]

anon:"this all started with the statement: <br> <br>"Reason" is a periodical based on the extremist ideas of Ayn Rand" <br> <br>nope, it started with chiggy posting about an article in reason magazine. it proceeded to you discrediting his entire post based on the source. <br> <br>anon: "evidence has been presented. good evidence. sourced evidence. where is the counter-evidence? where is the counter-argument?" <br> <br>it is here, Chiggins: "Not everyone who writes for Reason is an Objectivist." <br> <br>your insistance on discrediting this guy rather than actually answering his debate is very similar to the block those misguided anarchists made around that soda stand. <br> <br>The ideas of Ayn Rand are surely ideas you disagree with, but they are not ideas that are unworthy of any response. To simply say her books are crap (which i'll mostly agree they are) is not to say her ideas have no place in debate. <br> <br>I can agree with part of Ayn Rand's ideas. I read Atlas Shrugged and The Virtue of Selfishness and spit venom at both of them. Then I started seeing echos of what appeared to be such improbable straw-man charecters in real people. I think morality-based dogmatic leftists, anarchists, primordialists, etc (i don't know anyone here well enough to say specifically who this applies to) need to answer to Ayn Rand's accusations. The left needs to have people who live for themselves not simply against all others if it is going to accomplish anything.

[|Y|]

I don't see how it's similar, honestly. Chiggens had proved his blatent dishonesty. Indeed, he even useses his alternate ego in this very thread, to back up himself. It's rather pathetic. <br> <br>This is not to say that that's the end of that, but it does beg the question, if our only source is a dishonest bastard, how, praytell, are we going to know if what is being said is true? We need a second, or third, or fourth source to know that in fact the information is true. <br> <br>No one is blockaiding chiggins, if anything it's the converse, since he's spreading disinformation in an attempt to befuddle. <br> <br>Really, all we ask is for a verification. <br> <br>Most so called anarchists, in my experience, are not anarchists. <br> <br>I think Ayn Rand has made the best arguments for socialism/anarchism ever. You see what she writes and realize how ridiculous it all sounds, so the exact opposite must be the better alternative.

[|Y|]

You know what the 'anarchists' should have done? They should've went out to a Wal-Mart or something and got l-cheapo sodas and a bunch of coolers and ice, and sold the drinks at face value, without any markup at all. Hell, perhaps even cheaper. <br> <br>Then in text have it shown that there is no markup (perhaps display the Wal-Mart reciept), and a sign, "Welcome to anarchy. Fuck profit. People first."

[s_martkino]

rather than running to walmart, we need to make our own soda. though, this is metaphorical, soda is probably pretty low on the list of products that can go communist. at least they shoulda run to a food co-op?

[|Y|]

Honestly, it was a sort of stupid example. I'm just saying that showing ones independence and solidarity is a hell of a lot better than gang-chaining (again, if they did that, I wouldn't consider them anarchists). <br> <br>Offering lemonaid or coolaid would've been cheaper and easier. For $20 you can make enough lemonaid or coolaid to give hundreds something good and refreshing to drink. <br> <br>I'm not sure a co-op would allow their resources to be depleated like that, but surely the resources are available elsewhere (everyone drops a buck out of their own pocket to buy whatever). Too bad the state won't let individuals experiment with certain crops, hempfood could become a viable replacement for... all food.