Why are people poor?

[Guest]

When I read some comments written by some "anarcho-syndicalists", I see the traditional anti-capitalism bias that doesn't make sense. It goes like this: a small minority control the world's wealth and the majority is exploited by the evil capitalists. (Anarcho-syndicalists say they're not communists, but besides their little flag, they don't really differ from them.) It is important to note that wealth isn't a fixed amount. Wealth can be created and in a pure capitalist system, people stay wealthy as long as they serve their fellow men. Also, we often hear people asking why some people are so poor when others are very rich. The question is not why people are poor, but how people came to be as prosperous. Stop blaming poverty on the rich! There is no link between the two.

[Guest]

I've been reading a lot on this site in the past months and I used to call myself an anarcho-syndicalist. Thanks to your posts, I've realized that a lot of the stuff I read on this site was a load of crap. I read an article by Von Mises and was impressed: it's too bad we don't teach that guy in our schools, he does kick keynesian ass! <br> <br>Anyways, everybody who likes what's on this site should go take a look at the writings of Mises and Rothbard... they will change your view of the world!

[Guest]

c'mon guy. if you are going to try to create multiple personalities and respond to yourself, at least register up a few avatars and have a go of it. this attempt was pathetic. <br> <br>of course there was a dead giveaway. it's rare that someone goes from our camp to yours; much more often it's the other way around. some people do grow up. <br> <br>oh, and how many places have you been "From" now? taking lessons from fidel castro on how to make yourself look bigger now? <br>

[Din]

[color=green]of course there was a dead giveaway. it's rare that someone goes from our camp to yours; much more often it's the other way around. some people do grow up.</font color=green> <br> <br>The real dead giveaway would be the ridiculous five minutes that separated the two posts. That is really amateur trolling.

[stevil]

There's not a "traditional anti-capitalist bias" in anarcho-syndicalism, we hate fucking capitalism. Also anarcho-syndicalists are libertarian communists. You know posting on here under various names really isn't getting you anywhere is it?

[Yhcrana]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr><p>Also anarcho-syndicalists are libertarian communists.<p><hr></blockquote> <br> <br>Exactly. I don't know of any anarcho-syndicalists who wouldn't call themselves communists (as opposed to Communists with a capital 'C'). Obviously this guy is putting words into other people's mouths. The only place where anarcho-syndicalists don't consider themselves communists is inside his head, it would seem. <br> <br>Even more stupid is that his alter ego actually equates Keynesianism with anarchism. Not only is Keynesianism not a form of anarchism, it is not even a form of statism socialism. Really it is just watered-down, state regulated capitalism. Sorry, but anarcho-syndicalists are not social democrats! <br> <br>Furthermore, Von Mises didn't know what the hell he was talking about. His critique of "socialism" assumed that all socialists support a market system as long as that market is not capitalist (i.e., based upon wage labour). He never even took into account that Some of the people who oppose capitalism oppose markets in ALL their forms, even if those markets are non-capitalist.

[Jemmy_Hope]

Can't someone organise a forum of their own for these poor deluded bastards? They're bringing down the tone.

[AutonomousRebel]

People are poor because 10% of americans own 80% of americas wealth. The same thing goes for every other country in the world. It's an endless cycle, the rich get the better education, so the rich get richer, which the rich use to get a better education, and then the rich get richer. It never stops, meanwhile, the poor get less education since they are poor, and the poor gets poorer. I think you get my drift, captialism won't stop unitl it exploits every last dollar out of the working class.

[Zanzibar]

Such ignorance. Well first you're nothing more then an exploiter yourself. I doubt you're even an anarchist. You're probably some yank libertarian. Not concerned with the real concepts of anarchy, but with your check book.

Secondly anarcho-syndicalism and marxism/leninism differ greatly when it comes to the idea of the 'state' and revolutionary theory. If you were the slightest bit read you would know this. You don't however, which points to your stupidity once again.

Lastly the system is set up in such a way that the exploiters to benifit. Anyone will tell you this is true, even capitalists will tell you this is true. I know, why don't you take some of your wealth(which you seem quite happy to accumilate through whatever exploitation and greed you ahve) and take an interductory sociology course at whatever lame community college that will except a fool like yourself.

If you don't see a problem with class stratification and the oppression of one group by another you should quit calling yourself an anarchist.

Now please sod off you neo liberal scum.

[just_cause]

[quote="AutonomousRebel"]People are poor because 10% of americans own 80% of americas wealth. The same thing goes for every other country in the world. It's an endless cycle, the rich get the better education, so the rich get richer, which the rich use to get a better education, and then the rich get richer. It never stops, meanwhile, the poor get less education since they are poor, and the poor gets poorer. I think you get my drift, captialism won't stop unitl it exploits every last dollar out of the working class.[/quote]

our economy relyes on the poor....the more poor people the more money for the rich....capitalism relies on the constant flow of money, thats why the rich are so good at it....something must change!

[jacobhaller]

I don't know of any anarcho-syndicalists who wouldn't call themselves communists (as opposed to Communists with a capital 'C').

Hi. I suppose it's a fine line between dual-unionist, plural-unionist and market anarcho-syndicalism. Although I think I'd be happy enough in a communist community. If I was with friends.

[Mind_Cemetary]

Jacob, I'm pretty sure that anarcho-syndicalists are opposed to markets.

[Din]

Jacob, I'm pretty sure that anarcho-syndicalists are opposed to markets.

Well, Jacob himself is a pro-market anarcho-syndicalist. That most syndicalists have been communists does not mean that syndicalists have to be communists. Syndicalism, in itself, does not signify an economic preference.

[jacobhaller]

Thanks... syndicalism at a minimum means a commitment to working-class self-organization both as a principle and a revolutionary strategy, which I think is implicit in any form of anarchism, but some of us choose to focus more on it. I mean, strictly speaking, most if not all anarchists are both individualist and socialist, but some are more one than the other or more both than not.

[Guest]

Why are people poor?

Socialism.