anarchists in iraq

[Pomegranate]

dear sir

we build up the first iranian anarchy site about 5 days ago and at the time im writing this email we have 111 members.

we are some 17 years boys and girls and wanna get rid of this government and enjoy our free life

our forum is located at http://www.iranarchy.com/club and just now we are teaching anarchy stuffs in persian and soon we are going to build the english section to.

we hope that you will exchange a link with us and we hope that you will belive us as a first iranian anarchy group


with regards

iranarchy administrator

[Guest]

i wish them good luck, but some of their forum sections seem to follow the popular misconceptions about anarchism...

and a separate forum for asl - heh, kidz these dayz

[Morpheus]

This subject should be anarchists in IRAN not anarchists in IRAQ.

[Pomegranate]

typoe

^ tribute to dan quayle free of charge

[in bloom]

What happened, did you read the 'Anarchists' Cookbook one too many times while you were using your homemade LSD? Or do you just know very little about real anarchy, anarchy (to borrow from Ward) as a theory of organisation? Anarchy does not=blow shit up

[Guest]

typoe is a typo

poe

[Guest]

What happened, did you read the 'Anarchists' Cookbook one too many times while you were using your homemade LSD? Or do you just know very little about real anarchy, anarchy (to borrow from Ward) as a theory of organisation? Anarchy does not=blow shit up

thank you for your wisdom and knowledge o enlightened one. did it ever occour to you that in iran access to anarchist literature might be a little hard to come by? did it ever occour to you that in iran a copies of the anarchist cookbook might be a little scarce? did it ever occour to you that even taking a general intrest in anarchism in iran could be extremely dangerous?

i though this site was about building bridges and putting to pasture these very 'misconceptions'...

[|Y|]

Parliamentary democracies (ie, dictatorships) are good though! Heh, I kid. Really.

It would be really awesome if anarchists could have major influence in countries like Iran. I mean, I'm not trying to be pessimistic or anything, but many anarchists have lifestyles where they cannot really get up and help others too far away (ie, the nomadic ones, or ones who feel like disassociating as much as possible from capitalism; that's their prerogative, and hell, I'm one of them for that matter, really), and essentially the power for anarchists to be movers and shakers to any significant extent is increasingly lacking in countries which are increasingly underdeveloped.

But Iran has the luck of having oil wealth and some levels of development, which granted is not much, is something that Iran can use against the world capitalist market to create its independence. Anarchists, if possible, ought to go into Iran with the knowledge of self sustainablity, teach Iranians not only how to grow their own food, but how to grow their own housing material (as we all know, the recent earth quakes kill tens of thousands). With billions of dollars of oil revenue one must question where all that money is going (I personally do not think it's much of a mystery; the elites are sucking it up). Personally, and this is merely my personal opinion, I think that many Iranians don't even know what's going on in their political system overall (I think there's a disconnect due to the living conditions).

Anarchists might actually be able to procure the oil resources using underground methods, and siphon off large portions of the wealth it's creating in order to get the necessary infrastructure to speed up the processes towards economic independence, but this is a long shot I admit.

[huntergatherer]

anarchists, if possible, ought to go into Iran with the knowledge of self sustainablity, teach Iranians not only how to grow their own food, but how to grow their own housing material

Take up the white man's burden...

[|Y|]

Or we can sit idly by, apathetically knowing they live in conditions unimaginable to almost anyone who has internet access. Iranians already subsit off of the land (the majority anyhow), they actually have that down 'okay,' but I think there's plenty of room for improvement.

They're not the only people who need help and would be better off self-sustaining. But they're the topic of this thread.

[huntergatherer]

Sorry, but I'm generally skeptical of people saying we need to travel to other cultures and teach them how to live.

[Donald]

Is it just me or does this seem like a joke?

[Morpheus]

Or we can sit idly by, apathetically knowing they live in conditions unimaginable to almost anyone who has internet access.

Why don't we try fixing our own society instead of bossing foreigners around. H-G is right, your'e espousing a variant of the white man's burden. Not surprising given your racist patriotism, espousal of the "yellow peril" and attempt to claim that the sanctions on Iraq made Iraqis better off.

Iranians already subsit off of the land (the majority anyhow)

No they don't. 30% of working Iranians are involved in Agriculture and most of that is not self-subsistence. They even export fruits and nuts. Iran is a modern industrial society. This is another reason you shouldn't be going to Iran and bossing them around: you don't know what the hell you are talking about and instead substitute your stereotypes of "third world savages." Iranians have a better idea of how to run their society than westerners. Iran already had many decades of westerners telling them how to live, it was atrocious. They've still got problems, but they're better off than under western rule. Considering the shape of western society it's pretty hypocritical for westerners to be having fantasies about telling other societies what to do.

[K=x'uksami]

So you are saying that we shouldn't try to show the Iranians a way out of hierarchy and oppression. It's not like we are advocating imperialism or something.

If we succeed at attaining anarchism, how can we justify our freedom if the rest of the world is still oppressed?

[Morpheus]

So you are saying that we shouldn't try to show the Iranians a way out of hierarchy and oppression.

Your'e assuming that westerners have a better way out of hierarchy and oppression than the Iranian anarchists. I see no evidence to support that. Anarchism is based on self-liberation. If we attempt to force our vision on others then we will not free then, we will be dominating them by virtue of the fact that we are forcing them to adopt our vision of society. This would be de-facto imperialism, even if we don't think it is. Many soviet officials didn't believe they were engaging in imperialism, either.

|Y|'s suggestion of westerners going to Iran in order to spread anarchism when we can't even overthrow our own ruling class is absurd. Iranian anarchists aren't asking for us to go there and help them. The only reason he believes in this nonsense is his unspoken belief in a variant of the white man's burden.

It's not like we are advocating imperialism or something.

|Y| is. He doesn't call it that, but neither does Bush.

If we succeed at attaining anarchism, how can we justify our freedom if the rest of the world is still oppressed?

A more likely scenario is for the west to stay authoritarian while the rest of the world goes anarchist. How would you feel if your country was occupied by Iranian troops? You can't force someone to be free, attempts to do so simply create new forms of domination.