anarchists in iraq

[patrickhenry]

Depends on the context. If the Iranians invited you to come share it, cool. But just dropping in and preaching anarchism seems very missionaryesque.

It was said about Giuseppi Fanelli's trip to Spain he was a highly gifted propagandist sent there by Mikhail Bakunin. If Fanelli never went to Spain in 1868 the seeds of anarchy may have never been planted.

[leadhead]

Wow, serious necro thread haha!

A mod from the hills of norcal? I am a junction city native myself!

[Guest]

funny thread. people living in the US/UK who ask "what could possibly be wrong with showing people a better way?" lol. maybe you should fix up your own house before proclaiming yourself the experts on the "better way." lol.

[Crustanarchy]

Seriously.

[Zazaban]

I'm not allowed to act like I know anything about anarchism because non-anarchists on the same continent as me are oppressive. Gotcha.

[Crustanarchy]

They probably know as much about anarchism. I have trouble with the phrase "a better way" when we haven't even made anarchism work on a realistic scale in our own communities.

What we should be talking about with fellow anarchists is ways to fight the State effectively. As far as I am concerned we haven't even done that in the West.

[Garnier]

What happened, did you read the 'Anarchists' Cookbook one too many times while you were using your homemade LSD? Or do you just know very little about real anarchy, anarchy (to borrow from Ward) as a theory of organisation? Anarchy does not=blow shit up

thank you for your wisdom and knowledge o enlightened one. did it ever occour to you that in iran access to anarchist literature might be a little hard to come by? did it ever occour to you that in iran a copies of the anarchist cookbook might be a little scarce? did it ever occour to you that even taking a general intrest in anarchism in iran could be extremely dangerous?

i though this site was about building bridges and putting to pasture these very 'misconceptions'...

Yes, i thought so too. I thought it's a place where one can exchange opinions and experiences, but only if you are from US/UK/Canada/Australia/NZ you are taken seriosly.

You will be dissapointed, though...
This forum is a 'western' one to the core...

I don't think they give a shit anyway...
The obese will never understand the hungry one. That's how it goes.

It never occured to them about real-life dangers and the terror of even mentioning anarchy & anarchism in some countries.And that conditions of life are absolutely different than their countries. I've lived through the hell of yugoslav civil war. As a child in those days some things stuck in my mind, some of which were - never trust the state, never believe the politicians, look for your own way out...

Western approach to anarchism is very different.
Anarchist cook-book? Propaganda by deed? They are too sophisticated for that sort of things...

[Zazaban]

They probably know as much about anarchism. I have trouble with the phrase "a better way" when we haven't even made anarchism work on a realistic scale in our own communities.

What we should be talking about with fellow anarchists is ways to fight the State effectively. As far as I am concerned we haven't even done that in the West.

I don't recall 'the east' doing any better than 'the west'. Which is a dichotomy I don't care for, anyhow.

Also, the anarchist cookbook has nothing to do with anarchism other than the name. It was written written by chaos loving nihilists, not anarchists, and the recipes inside often don't work.

The general message I'm getting here is that you believe that 'westerners' are incapable of being real anarchists.

[Francois Tremblay]

Yea, that 68 revolution was just a bunch of kids, right? Not "real anarchists."

"Real anarchists"... they just kill everyone who opposes them, I guess. Is that how it works?

[Garnier]

The 1968 may-days? A revolution?
'68 was a kindergarten compared with Mkahnovshtina or Spain or Mexico...