Carnivorous Anarchists?

[Imnaxus]

A functioning life system does not eat itself, in the same way that it does not rule against itself or wage war on itself.

[Yarrow]

surely the point is where the money goes?

supporting factory farming of animal or plant products is just mad. But you don't need to own land to get your hands on either- if you did, animals without property could not survive.

where i live many animals are classed as vermin, ie they're free game. if you think eating them is dirty*, you need more experience of factory farming from cradle to plate. then you'll realise pigeon is a good meat.

As for fruit and veg, it grows everywhere! vegetables grown by a main road contain less toxins than freighted goods, so again it is all round better- for you and everyone else. If you don't know what to eat, get back in touch with your fucking home planet!

*I always laugh at BackToTheFuture3, when McFly sees they drink cloudy water. Yes, that was life for most of human history, and they turned out fine.

[Francois Tremblay]

Actually, you're only allowed to do that because the State cannot possibly monitor all the land it "owns." If there was a soldier posted at every twenty feet of every road, you wouldn't be able to kill or harvest anything.

[busab]

Actually, you're only allowed to do that because the State cannot possibly monitor all the land it "owns." If there was a soldier posted at every twenty feet of every road, you wouldn't be able to kill or harvest anything.

Its true, i recently got chased off of a former farm the state took over to build a police academy. I was picking grapes that still grow in a few places.

Tho i should have thought harder about "police academy" before doing it. I didn't get what a deserved (yummy grapes), but i got what i should have seen coming.

[Yarrow]

allowed to do what? i think you may be jumping the gun here.

being allowed is irrelevant, as far as i can tell. what matters are the consequences.

and perhaps we wouldn't be able to do X if Y was a reality. but it's not.

honestly, i think most people have very complex issues about food- and the worst thing is they have no idea. the corruption and avoidance is endemic.

[Francois Tremblay]

allowed to do what

To hunt and gather wild foods on "public lands."

being allowed is irrelevant, as far as i can tell. what matters are the consequences.

The consequence is that you would be arrested and possibly beaten up.

[Yarrow]

i never said anything about public land, and i don't know the laws of the Almighty Shame (where i guess you are). but why bother bringing up the small areas of impossibility within my idea. you can find food, eat it and be healthier.

the consequences of doing so, even on private land, is NOT that you will be arrested. that is a possibility. if you don't want to do it, then fine. but your negativity may well convince others such a pursuit is foolish, which is untrue.

and eating factory produced goods of any kind will most likely be harmful not just for the planet, but for you personally. MSG, gluten products, additives... check it out. or just stop eating poison, and stop thinking about real food like it is bad for you one way or another.

[Francois Tremblay]

I didn't say your idea was foolish, I said it was prohibited by the State and had a degree of risk. But everything we do has some degree of risk, including, as you pointed out, eating manufactured food.

[Yarrow]

thankyou. sorry to be pedantic, but i cannot stomach the merest possible hint of defeatism, especially not in one so seemingly wise as you.

and continuing in that vain: i didn't say you DID call it pedantic- i said you might convince others of such an untruth. considering the downsides to eating supermarket food, i'd say for a conscious person that would definitely be the more foolish option. how many times can you shoot yourself in the foot with a single bullet.

[Francois Tremblay]

Let's just say we would all prefer not to feed the capitalist system, but for most people there are no other options.

[Yarrow]

sorry, i can't accept that. how can you say there are no other options?

*we would all prefer not to suffer, but another's pain is worth a little comfort.
and being in pain oneself, any additional discomfort is unbearable.*

but yesh, i see no problem with carnarchists(!), except for the fact that by supporting their own enemies (which they almost certainly are) they are destroying their own lives and souls. this life, this time is all or nothing.

and i know we all feed the beasts from time to time. but that really doesn't make it okay in my book, especially when solutions are right in front of us, and we only have to have the cojones to live as an animal.

[Francois Tremblay]

That's easy for you to say.

[Yarrow]

truth doth slip from the tongues, like tigers at the feast.

[karma]

I know that a lot of anarchist are Vegitarian, or even better Vegan.
Yet I understand there to be a large number of meat-eaters that claim to be anarchistic.

Is it possible to be both an anarchist and a carnivore?

Shouldn't the ideas of a non-hierarchical system be extended and applied to all living beings?

Aren't the industries manufacturing meat, dairy, animal testing, animal products (clothes, shoes, lipsticks, glues etc) some of the major players in any capatilist regime?

I suppose this is a loaded question, but would like to hear the feedback.

Lol... thanks there Bodkin - that's the best laugh I've had in years. Firstly by carnivore I assume you mean 'omnivore' which would be the correct term unless you only eat meat.. (I've never met anyone that only eats meat.. have you?)

Secondly - I don't wish to be rude but WTF does my diet have to do with my politics? What you eat is an individual choice... kind of like what type of music you like or books you prefer to read. Anarchism is about our place in a society and as such is bigger than our personal likes and dislikes.

Third... I hate sanctimonious vegetarians. Who the hell do you think you are?

Fourth... Your argument regarding the meat industry is seriously flawed. Water companies are 'major players in capitalist regime' too... should we stop drinking tap water then? How about books? Publishing houses are also big business. Should we boycott all those places that sell us all that interesting literature and fiction? I think not.

Lol - saying only vegetarians can be anarchists is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[Francois Tremblay]

Although I do agree that the vegan argument can be vastly overplayed, I have to disagree with you karma when you deride not wanting to participate in the capitalist system. It is noble to desire not to participate to the capitalist system, in the exploitation of animals, water and information. I'd rather not have to get meat or water from the State.