Carnivorous Anarchists?

[Yarrow]

"should invalids with no way of interacting with society have rights?"

[Francois Tremblay]

There's no such thing.

[Yarrow]

we just did that bit, trollboy

or did we?

[Francois Tremblay]

You are starting to seriously piss me off. If I am a troll, why did I give you so many chances to have a polite conversation?

I am through with you. Leave me the fuck alone.

[Yarrow]

all right. don't answer it.

sorry i called you a troll though. that was a result of stress, and not your fault- we do seem to be going in circles though. as far as i'm concerned, ignoring someone's points because you don't like them shows serious flaws. as does insulting people or losing your temper

so; there are people who have no way of interacting with society, we discussed them earlier. do they have inherent rights, and if so is it because they are humans? i guess the answer is these rights only apply to humans, because we don't converse with anything else. i remember hearing they were drawing up a bill of rights for robots. on this point though, we could discuss the rights of vegetables.

[Guest]

Secondly - I don't wish to be rude but WTF does my diet have to do with my politics? What you eat is an individual choice... kind of like what type of music you like or books you prefer to read.

Except that eating meat is NOT an individual choice, it necessarily involves archy over other sentient beings.

Anarchism is about our place in a society and as such is bigger than our personal likes and dislikes.

Exactly. Killing non-human animals simply because you like the way their bodies taste doesn't take into consideration "our place in society". If you regard non-human animals as commodities then your place in relation to them is analogous to that of capitalist to worker.

I'll state for the record that sanctimonious vegeterians piss me off too. That doesn't mean you can simply write of arguments against the killing of non-humans though.

[Donald]

that was me

[Guest]

I don't wish to be rude but WTF does my diet have to do with my politics? What you eat is an individual choice... kind of like what type of music you like or books you prefer to read. Anarchism is about our place in a society and as such is bigger than our personal likes and dislikes.

Well by that argument rape could be considered an "individual" choice providing you ignore the choice of the third party. By purchasing meat you are sponsoring the death of an animal. Assuming that animal was given the choice it would choose NOT be your dinner. I'm sure that 200 years ago people that owned slaves considered that an individual choice but we look back at those times now realising just how "enlightened" we are by comparison.

[Francois Tremblay]

Cows do not understand the choice you are proposing.

[Zazaban]

Animals eat other animals, are we supposed to condemn lions for the 'genocide' of antelope?

[Yarrow]

no, we aren't 'supposed' to do anything- it's all about bettering our positions, no? we are all free to do whatever we want (that goes for all life). the point is though, we are here debating it. if we choose to to something with a negative effect because we enjoy it, we need to realise that is the case. and personally i feel sure that cows understand the concept of death.

[Francois Tremblay]

What exactly is the negative effect?

[Donald]

Animals eat other animals, are we supposed to condemn lions for the 'genocide' of antelope?

Humans exploit and imprison other humans, that fact does not justify exploitation/imprisonment. Furthermore, lions can't survive unless they consume meat, humans can.

[Yarrow]

What exactly is the negative effect?

health, environmental and geological aspects, not to mention the systematic slaughter. although i'm sure some would say that doesn't count because we aren't discussing humyns.

[Zazaban]

Animals eat other animals, are we supposed to condemn lions for the 'genocide' of antelope?

Humans exploit and imprison other humans, that fact does not justify exploitation/imprisonment. Furthermore, lions can't survive unless they consume meat, humans can.

Animals are not so well-adapted to self-conscious thought as we are. Totally different ball park.

...Dear god, I'm contradicting myself aren't I. Oh well.