Are individuals naturally good or evil?

[Guest]

Good and evil are bullshit, free will does not exist and morality is at most relative and a human invention.

[Francois Tremblay]

Good and evil are bullshit, free will does not exist and morality is at most relative and a human invention.

Thank you Emo Kid. You may now go shoot yourself.

[Guest]

Good and evil are bullshit, free will does not exist and morality is at most relative and a human invention.

Thank you Emo Kid. You may now go shoot yourself.

Eh, I agree with emoguest.

[Francois Tremblay]

Thank you Emo Twin Brother. Now go to Hot Topic and buy (consume) a shirt that reflects your internal turmoil. Leave the grownups alone.

[leadhead]

Neither good nor evil, just driven by their own personal life experiences.

I chose other because I think it is in our nature to hook a brother up if it is within our power to do so most of the time. Obvioulsy if resources and abundance are scarce, then we are going to fight and kill each other over it. I feel that there is a 3rd gear in which a small portion of people seem to be unable to control their survival instincts and incorporate this into every justification behind decisions to step on their friends and family for material gains. I guess you could say these people are evil. My resolution to this wouldnt be an institution. Most likely we would be living in groups of somewhat like minded people. I am sure they can come up with a good resolution to deal with an would be evil person.

As far as anarchy is concerned. People are going to do what people are going to do, just like they do now. To be honest, people do things I dont like and I am sure I do stuff that rubs people the wrong way. We have to just get over that. If your neighbor likes cats and has 19 of the little allergy inflaming fuckers and it is driving you crazy, that is your problem and you have to deal with it. Anarchy just gives you the means to handle it in the most efficient way possible....YOURSELF.

[Dimitri]

I say that good and evil simply don't exist. The terms "good" and "evil" depends on the perception of a person. These are terms coined mostly by churches, it is to keep people in check. No one likes to be called "evil" by someone or something more eliterian or authoritarian.

Most things (I said most, not all) "evil" are just products of mans natural instinct. "It is evil/bad to have multiple wives", no it isn't, your perception and envirronement made you belief it is bad. In reality it is something natural, you can check your history and your own feelings about it.
(Just imagine you are walking with you bf/gf on the street and a group of hot babes/guys passes by..).

I have to agree with the guest about human morals being a human invention, morals are indeed a human invention. But this doesn't imply they are useless. Morals serve to help establish a society. They are used to keep the mechanism working, thus I don't discredit it.

[Francois Tremblay]

All right, you're all emos I guess. Have a grande latte.

[Dimitri]

All right, you're all emos I guess. Have a grande latte.

Right, can you give a decent argument instead of calling out emo's.
If you are as "grown-up" as you claim/think to be, you at least have a decent argument at hands in which I might reconsider my point of view.
If not, think before you write.

[Francois Tremblay]

I am not here to argue with you. If you don't believe there is any good or evil, then you've already claimed that you can't evaluate the morality of anything. So what's the point in giving you a moral argument?

I don't know how to deal with people who are that far down in denial of themselves. I wish I did, though. But I don't know how to help you. I've never had that problem.

I'm sorry for invalidating people, though. I shouldn't have done that. I'll just do my best to ignore the subject from now on.

[Dimitri]

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I am not here to argue with you. If you don't believe there is any good or evil, then you've already claimed that you can't evaluate the morality of anything. So what's the point in giving you a moral argument?

One second here.. I actually said this:

"I say that good and evil simply don't exist. The terms "good" and "evil" depends on the perception of a person."

"I have to agree with the guest about human morals being a human invention, morals are indeed a human invention. But this doesn't imply they are useless. Morals serve to help establish a society. They are used to keep the mechanism working, thus I don't discredit it."

It's different from "believing there is no good or evil"

[Insecuritykiller]

Human beings just live how they want to live. Naturaly when human beings feel pain we are a bit worried about it.

Morality is it a good word or a bad word? I think it's a good word. Do good, don't do bad things, go for what's right, not torturering small children for fun.

Be moral, for fun.

[Zazaban]

All right, you're all emos I guess. Have a grande latte.

Emo insults are SO 2007.

[Yarrow]

it's quicker than insulting people though. or debating!

clearly, there is no good or evil. there is altruism and selfishness, and those can be construed differently according to where you're standing.

If no-one can decide what is moral, if we all have different 'moral compasses', how can morality be an externally existent phenomenon?

my point about justice was talk of maintaining a social equilibrium, in assuring people what is and what isn't tolerated in any given culture.

[Insecuritykiller]

Why not torture small children then?

I have to believe that i'll be rewarded or punished. I'm not a christian, but i dont know, i'd like to think i'd be rewarded in "heaven" for the good shit i do.

[leadhead]

Why not torture small children then?

I have to believe that i'll be rewarded or punished. I'm not a christian, but i dont know, i'd like to think i'd be rewarded in "heaven" for the good shit i do.

You have to live with yourself every day. I cant think of anything more equalizing than that.