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Re: Who are anarchists and who aren't.

Postby Zazaban » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:38 am

Well, in a society without money, ideas of 'profit' would be a moot point. Also, isn't recognition reward enough? Nobody gets prize money when they get an Oscar, but it's still a bloody happy day.
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Re: Who are anarchists and who aren't.

Postby Stealth » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:49 am

Zazaban wrote:Well, in a society without money, ideas of 'profit' would be a moot point. Also, isn't recognition reward enough? Nobody gets prize money when they get an Oscar, but it's still a bloody happy day.



In our current society, people are valued by how much they accumulate and keep for themselves. In traditional societies, people are valued by how much they give and do for others.

If people actually knew their neighbors and lived in 'communities' instead of nuclear families in highly industrialized and impersonal sprawl, perhaps people could once again aspire to those kinds of values.
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Re: Who are anarchists and who aren't.

Postby Noleaders » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:09 pm

Stealth wrote:
Zazaban wrote:Well, in a society without money, ideas of 'profit' would be a moot point. Also, isn't recognition reward enough? Nobody gets prize money when they get an Oscar, but it's still a bloody happy day.



In our current society, people are valued by how much they accumulate and keep for themselves. In traditional societies, people are valued by how much they give and do for others.

If people actually knew their neighbors and lived in 'communities' instead of nuclear families in highly industrialized and impersonal sprawl, perhaps people could once again aspire to those kinds of values.




Well if the only way to be recognised is to do something so massive that everyone will notice such as win an oscar then that rules out the vast majority of people. Same effect as todays corporate state on actually innovating useful stuff. Besides people compete to win oscars so you'll still have competition just in a less efficient way.
A society without money has a number of problems go to "calling anarcho-communists". Trade will always exist in some form just in a commune it would be a black market which means more dangerous and less of the actual benefits of a market. Also without the profit incentive that allows people to be selfish in a relatively less aggressive way than open war. If there's selfish people in your commune they will have no option but to take stuff by force whereas a truly free market gives people a different outlet for it that actually helps people. A market doesn't neccesarily mean capitalism. It could be a "community" like you say where everyone makes their own stuff and trades it with each other.
If those really were the traditional values then why do we not still live like that and how do you plan on returning to that and if that society lead to this one then whats to stop it happening again? Honestly i think collectivism as a mindset makes people easy to control. Take nationalism for example. Besides why shouldn't people care about themselves i see nothing wrong or unnatural about being an individualist.
The Anarchists are simply unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. They believe that 'the best government is that which governs least,' and that which governs least is no government at all.
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Re: Who are anarchists and who aren't.

Postby Zazaban » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:47 am

Of course I believe people should care about themselves. I am an egoist, you know.
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Re: Who are anarchists and who aren't.

Postby Noleaders » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:30 am

I know. I think deep down everyone is.
The Anarchists are simply unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. They believe that 'the best government is that which governs least,' and that which governs least is no government at all.
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Re: Who are anarchists and who aren't.

Postby African_Prince » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:48 am

Thieves, rapists and murderers cannot be considered anarchists because they express dominance and power of other sentient beings. Anarchists are anti-authoritarian so it would make no sense for an 'anarchist' to position themselves as an authority figure.
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