Racist Anarchists?!

[Francois Tremblay]

I'm sorry, but I think that doing anything for its own sake is a load of crap. Applies to anything from "science for the sake of science," "art for the sake of art," or "giving for the sake of giving." It's a way to hide the real values involved.

[Maggot]

I'm sorry, but I think that doing anything for its own sake is a load of crap. Applies to anything from "science for the sake of science," "art for the sake of art," or "giving for the sake of giving." It's a way to hide the real values involved.

So, I guess you wouldn't like my band wearing masks onstage every time we play a show (hypothetically speaking, of course since we don't have a full lineup yet).

[Francois Tremblay]

I'm not following. What is the relation between "doing something for its own sake" and wearing masks for a concert?

[Maggot]

Wearing masks onstage during a gig would count as creating art for the sake of art, wouldn't it? By your logic, anyway.

[Francois Tremblay]

I don't see how. It sounds like it could be meaningful.

[Maggot]

Well, Slipknot wear masks onstage so people will concentrate more on the music and not on what the band members look like.

[Francois Tremblay]

That sounds like a perfectly valid reason.

[Maggot]

So, it's not just art for the sake of art then.

[Insecuritykiller]

we're becoming smarter every day.

[Francois Tremblay]

Well no, the action has a further goal, so it's not anything for its own sake.

[Maggot]

I see.

[Yarrow]

Doing good is a game.

Feeling pleasure and avoiding pain and death are not games. Everything else is a game.

Being friendly and kind to other people is the most fun game.

but what if doing good for other people helps you avoid pain and death? either everything is a game, or the definition of a game is 'something you can stop doing'. which is a poor definition from my POV.

[Insecuritykiller]

Nothing is a game in reality. Because a game is for pleasure and feeling pleasure is not a game.

The answer to your question is that avoiding pain and death is not a game.

There are all kinds of reasons for caring for each other as you have discovered. A pleasureable game is one of them. The other reasons are to avoid pain and death.

If that is a game, then it is one to trick and control other people. Or to play along with other peoples tricks which often derive from insecurity and fear probably.

[Crustanarchy]

Nothing is a game in reality. Because a game is for pleasure and feeling pleasure is not a game.

The answer to your question is that avoiding pain and death is not a game.

There are all kinds of reasons for caring for each other as you have discovered. A pleasureable game is one of them. The other reasons are to avoid pain and death.

If that is a game, then it is one to trick and control other people. Or to play along with other peoples tricks which often derive from insecurity and fear probably.

SHUT THE FUCK UP. Just my opinion there, not gonna force you too, you're filling this forum with REALLY dumb shit though and it's annoying. At least FZappa and Spartacus stay in their respective threads.

EDIT: Actually nevermind, keep doing what your doing, but I'd like say one more time that you're really annoying.

[Insecuritykiller]

How is what i said annoying?