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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby jack » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:20 pm

Gruph wrote:I'm willing to discuss child-child sex.


:wink:

Anyways, African Prince, my grandfather (an absolute fucking scumbag, but more explaination on why can come later) is in prison on a 27 year sentence for having sex with an 8 year old retarded girl, the thing is she "consented" to it, does that mean he should be let out of prison? Because he has done other things like this with children who consented that he hasn't been prosecuted for.

Anyways, child molesters and rapists can't be fixed, so they should just hang IMHO. I don't care if the racist African Prince thinks that's "authoritarian" and he is lord of all libertarian thought, only being one for less than a month.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby African_Prince » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:45 pm

And I'd agree with that sentiment. I can't accept adult-child sex, because it's inherently exploitative -- even if the child "consents" -- just like capitalism; but I'm willing to discuss child-child sex.


This smacks of religious dogma to me. There is nothing "inherently" exploitative about sexual contact between a child and an adult, the problem is when adults use their social status to coerce children into having sex with them. It is theoretically possible for an adult and a child to have non-coerced, consensual, safe sex, however unlikely you may think it would be.

As or capitalism, I wouldn't see a problem (as in it wouldn't be blameworthy, it could still be exploitative) if someone who needed human hair to survive worked for someone else in exhange for their hair. The problem with capitalism is that capitalists claim 'ownership' of means of production that they don't even use and appropriate money generaed by labor they didn't perform. The idea of humans 'owning' natural resources is absurd, modification (which requires the luck of discovery and first claim) doesn't change that. Nobody owns land, air, water etc. It's even more indefensible when you accept the realty that human behavior is determined rather than 'self-authored' and thus, no one 'deserves' the product of their labor anymore than they 'deserve' punishment.

Saying "I'm willing to discuss it" may sound authoritarian, but so be it: the role of adults is to protect children and teach them how to navigate the perils of the real world. Little kids don't fully grasp sex,



What you mean by this (the bolded) is that they haven't yet been socialized to hold the same arbitrary, cultural attitudes about sex that you do. It isn't "true" that sex is anything more than physical contact. By all means, you can explain to a child what the possible, negative ramifications of sex are but you've no right to decide who they are allowed to have sex with.

so they should be taught about it. I'm all for openness there. There's nothing to hide about sex, but it does have its perils.


You still haven't gone into detail about these 'perils'.

By African_Prince's reckoning, we should allow Alzheimer's sufferers to wander onto the highway rather than get all authoritarian on their asses and restrain them. I say that those of us who possess fully-developed & intact faculties have a moral obligation to look out for those who do not -- even if that means becoming a benevolent dictator and telling them what they can and cannot do. Within reason, and for their own safety, of course. These things are not black and white. It's juvenile to say that it's always wrong to control others. We have to be very careful about it, that's all. Unless of course we want to be shoveling toddlers and elderly people from the pavement.


In this case, the Alzheimer's suffers don't realize what can happen to them if they wander into the highway but what can happen to them isn't the result of interpretation or applying the situation in an emotional or cultural context. What can happen to them can be explained in physically tangible terms (ie. they will literally be injured). With sex, the 'ramifications' you talk about are subjective and possible, physical injury is guaranteed if one is hit by a car.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Guest » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:34 pm

Most men are pedophiles because they are disgusted by adult women and pressure them to shave their underarms and legs and now even vagina. When you say this you are told it is only personal preference and that is true it is a personal preference for women who are hairless like children. Men who are disgusted by hairy women should know that they are disgusted by adult women period so they should admit that they like childlike sex partners and that makes them a pedophile.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Zazaban » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:26 pm

Guest wrote:Most men are pedophiles because they are disgusted by adult women and pressure them to shave their underarms and legs and now even vagina. When you say this you are told it is only personal preference and that is true it is a personal preference for women who are hairless like children. Men who are disgusted by hairy women should know that they are disgusted by adult women period so they should admit that they like childlike sex partners and that makes them a pedophile.

Uh... No. There's more of a difference between children and adults than hair. By your logic somebody who likes hairy children would not be a pedophile.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Francois Tremblay » Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:19 am

Since I don't believe in the adult age set by the State, I have no problem with pedophilia.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby jack » Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:54 am

Francois Tremblay wrote:Since I don't believe in the adult age set by the State, I have no problem with pedophilia.


Fuck off you fat motherfucker.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby thelastindividual » Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:58 am

jack wrote:
Francois Tremblay wrote:Since I don't believe in the adult age set by the State, I have no problem with pedophilia.


Fuck off.


This

Tremblay, Paedophilia is an observable psychological disorder in which adults display sexual preferences for prebuscent children

The adult age set by the state has nothing to do with it
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Francois Tremblay » Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:04 pm

And yet in our society a 19 year old having sex with a 15 year old is considered pedophilia.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby thelastindividual » Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:06 pm

Francois Tremblay wrote:And yet in our society a 19 year old having sex with a 15 year old is considered pedophilia.


Yes, but I doubt a reputable psychologist would diagnose them as such
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Francois Tremblay » Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:07 pm

I don't put much stock in psychologists, but I agree in this case.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Zazaban » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:16 am

So, Francois, you have no problem with a 61 year old having sex with a 3 year old?
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Francois Tremblay » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:23 pm

A three year old obviously can't consent, so it's rape.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby jack » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:05 pm

Francois Tremblay wrote:A three year old obviously can't consent, so it's rape.


Then that provides a justification for parenting.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby Francois Tremblay » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:21 pm

Don't be disgusting. Rape does not provide a justification for parenting. A mother or father raping their children are just as guilty as anyone else.
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Re: Paedophilia (On Consent Generally)

Postby jack » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:22 pm

Francois Tremblay wrote:Don't be disgusting. Rape does not provide a justification for parenting. A mother or father raping their children are just as guilty as anyone else.


I wasn't aware that feeding and clothing your children was rape.
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