A real 'revolution'. Are you willing to go to jail?

[Zazaban]

The vast majority of people are not going to notice that.

[Yarrow]

although i'm sure he appreciates you sharing his plans on the funking INTERNET.

[thelastindividual]

To be fair he hasn't actually given away anything that could be used to track him down. Although there's always the possibility that the FBI might come back

[Yarrow]

it's a matter of principles, said in a nixon voice.

[thelastindividual]

it's a matter of principles, said in a nixon voice.

'I am not a crooks head'

[anonimiss]

I wouldn't be willing to goto jail unless i knew a real revolution would actually happen in the near future. Like now if I did something that would place me in jail for the movement, my ass would just be left there and fellow anarchists would probably just shake their heads and think it was unfortunate.

I would be willing to live my life underground. my life is already heading in that direction.

I understand that it's import to educate yourself and others so we could have strength in numbers before anything is done, but imo for people who feel so strongly about a revolution...they're not working hard enough to actually try to make it happen. I can explain my theory and reasoning all I want, but with out a powerful movement backing me up and actually making some noise in mainstream society..it's pointless and i look like the fool.

i mean i'm new to this, but it almost seems as if the majority of people who claim they're anarchists are just anti-social outcasts who have a hard time being accepted by normal society and have turned to anarchist point of views so they can feel accepted and justification as to why they don't fit in with society.

I dont expect a revolution tomorrow, or next year, or the next... but we should at least be moving forward a little faster. Look at the revolutions of the past. They didn't take 100's of years to get started. People didn't spend centuries just informing others before actually getting something done. They happened in a life time. So why is this "revolution" being so stagnant?

[thelastindividual]

i mean i'm new to this, but it almost seems as if the majority of people who claim they're anarchists are just anti-social outcasts who have a hard time being accepted by normal society and have turned to anarchist point of views so they can feel accepted and justification as to why they don't fit in with society.

How many anarchists have you met outside of the internet?

I dont expect a revolution tomorrow, or next year, or the next... but we should at least be moving forward a little faster. Look at the revolutions of the past. They didn't take 100's of years to get started. People didn't spend centuries just informing others before actually getting something done. They happened in a life time. So why is this "revolution" being so stagnant?

Agreed

[dunhav1]

i mean i'm new to this, but it almost seems as if the majority of people who claim they're anarchists are just anti-social outcasts who have a hard time being accepted by normal society and have turned to anarchist point of views so they can feel accepted and justification as to why they don't fit in with society.

Normal society? Where's that mate? It is no measure of sanity to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

[African_Prince]

I realize individual tax resistence might not make the kind of difference necessary for a revolution (see 'I'm almost tempted' thread). Once you become conscious about how much authority complete strangers have over your life, it's depressing. It's depressing to know that I will most likely die in a statist world. I have no idea what I could do to seriously change things.

[Jawn Disease]

Jail xaxo, tu saes ande esta el tresoro del rai salomon, tu no saes k'hai jioyas ciuo valor no pues ni imaginal.l en suenyos, tu no saes que lo k'hai s'hi esconde vale mas que toooooooooooooooooooooo el trabajo de los betelxungos, pero ueno k'ai de desil.l-te k'ai s'hi esconde lo mejor la salvasion de tu alma s'hi ti ofrese rutilante como un diamante rampante, xiaxo

What the fuck is this madness? Are you just writing spanish with ridiculous spelling? Cuz that's not Portuguese and it's not Romanian

[Jawn Disease]

The question is, are you willing to fight running gun battles with riot cops in the streets of your city when they start enforcing curfews, bulldozing your homes and requiring all citizens to carry GPS-enabled microchip ID cards? Having to work for a capitalist to live is shitty, but we're nowhere near the slave labour populations of much of the Third World. However it's only a matter of time. Resources don't last forever. Capitalism doesn't reform itself. Multiparty politics are bankrupt. The state terror aparatus is being steadily put into place. There will come a tipping point when many people will be unable to accept the situation being forced upon them anymore, and they will fight. Maybe not because they're political but because they recognize the basic fact that they're being fucking trampled to death. Will you be there with them?

[Yarrow]

i do believe that things, without unforeseen radical events, will progress into a totalitarian one-world state. which means i'm going to have to step up my ideas, or get used to being homo sapiens domesticus. to quote our mutual friend.

[coup-detat]

homo sapiens domesticus

I love this, I might use it.

[Death Vegetable]

"Resources don't last forever."

This is true, and it is an incontrovertible fact that once the population reaches a certain point, there will be either forced vegetarianism or mass starvation (except for the nomenklatura, of course). How would anarchists handle that? Would they politely ask the world populations to please convert their pastureland to cropland? And suppose they all did, even if only because they didn't want to deal with the shame of raising meat; what would anarchists do about the clandestine hunting of wild game to extinction?

This century will see a sharp ramping up of the state, as the harsh realities of food and energy scarcity cause a frantic clamping down on freedom. Anarchists will have to content themselves with keeping their ideas alive; anarchy itself will have to remain dormant until the world settles into the new paradigm and humans have grown into their radically downsized lifestyles. Ultimately this will all be for the best, since our current level of extravagant wastefulness is simply untenable under any circumstances, anarchist or not.

The best practice for us as anarchists, at this point, is to keep our focus on that future, try to predict what it will look like as new information arises, and try to come up with anarchist solutions to pass on to those generations who will have to implement them. Self-sustaining intentional communities will serve as the vanguard. Those comrades are the true anarchists of the present, as their lessons will be the most useful in carrying anarchism forward into the coming paradigm. Lifestylists, ironically, are probably the next most useful teachers, as they remind us that nothing can be allowed to go to waste, where we're headed. The rest of us, the ones debating economic minutiae on the Internet, are quite useless, really. And those of us ladder-climbing in pursuit of lucrative "careers" within the current paradigm of wasteful consumerism are doing more harm than good.

One area to watch are the various anarcho-futurist hybrid movements. They have probably the most accurate vision of what "anarchy" will mean in the next century. By the time the new realities of population and resources have shaken out, their technological concepts will no longer be met with laughter as they are now. Flawed as they may be on a theoretical level, they really are our natural allies and we ought to embrace them and integrate their ideas into ours.

[Zazaban]

Can't you see, puke, I'm sorry, that Jawn Disease is sick? He's deperately trying to organize us, imitating several languages (ample proof of his own sophistication holding onto hope) to keep us off the track. Yet we will stay the anarcho-wacko collision course!

I can't understand what the hell you're talking about.