Mutualist History

[jack]

k, I'm done, you're really shitty to debate with.

Me: Mutualism has been and is irrelavent.

You: I'M GOING TO TWIST YOUR ARGUEMENTS SO WE CAN CHANGE ENOUGH SO I CAN ATTACK IT.

Mutualism is irrelavent, the Platform rocks, people who may take part in semi-Mutualist activities aren't part of the Mutualist movement and don't make it any more relavent.

/thread

[Noleaders]

Jack dont you find it ironic that your whole system depends on everyone getting along yet your the most sectarian, elitist person here?

anyway....

Jack: A theory's relevance comes from action on it. *makes assertions about no action on mutualism* therefore mutualism is irrelevant.

Noleaders: A theory's relevance comes from whether it deals with the problems in society, there has been action on mutualism, plus a number of mutualist esque ideas coming spontaneously from ordinary people therefore mutualism is relevant.

Jack: Stop twisting my arguments!! You say ordinary people practice mutualism without being committed mutualists ergo you say mutualism is the natural order. You say people engaging in quasi-mutualist practice outside the movement shows the ideas are relevant to them ergo you call them part of your movement
(self contradictory or what...)

Noleaders: You've just blatently contradicted yourself and gone back to making blanket assertions, your saying your theory is more relevant to the working class yet aspects of mine are growing spontanteously from the workers themselves, why would they be doing so if said actions werent relevant to them. I dont claim them to be part of the movement, but i do claim they are similar enough to indicate the ideas are relevant. I dont care about platforms, i dont want a constitution and im not planning any social engineering i want the workers to create their own voluntary order.

/thread

[jack]

You have fun with that, I'll have fun destroying any chance of it.

I was avoiding this thread because I didn't want to get into the exact shit you got me into.

[AndyMalroes]

i want the workers to create their own voluntary order.

I'm sorry but this sounds incredibly ivory-tower-esque

[shawnpwilbur]

i want the workers to create their own voluntary order.

I'm sorry but this sounds incredibly ivory-tower-esque

Why, Andy? If we're going to have a voluntary order, who else would create it for us? And if we're not going to have a voluntary order, what are we going on about?

[AndyMalroes]

It sounded (to me) like you were saying that you wouldn't help in any way and that the workers would carry out your dreams for you. I'm sorry.

[shawnpwilbur]

It sounded (to me) like you were saying that you wouldn't help in any way and that the workers would carry out your dreams for you. I'm sorry.

No apology necessary. It was Noleaders who said it anyway, but I don't think that was the intention. But it was admittedly a strange exchange, with Jack apparently vowing to do everything in his power to prevent a voluntary society...

[thelastindividual]

It's funny, everytime I read one of Jack's posts I move one step closer to mutualism.......

[jack]

It sounded (to me) like you were saying that you wouldn't help in any way and that the workers would carry out your dreams for you. I'm sorry.

How many Dialetical Materialists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None, the lightbulb will change itself!

[Noleaders]

It sounded (to me) like you were saying that you wouldn't help in any way and that the workers would carry out your dreams for you. I'm sorry.

Ah dont worry about it. I meant im not gonna create a blueprint, turn it into a manifesto and insist thats anarchism. I have some basic principles in mind and im gonna do what i can but at the end of the day its their anarchy too.

[Noleaders]

It sounded (to me) like you were saying that you wouldn't help in any way and that the workers would carry out your dreams for you. I'm sorry.

How many Dialetical Materialists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None, the lightbulb will change itself!

hehe

How many libertarians* does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None the market will take care of it



*left libertarians of course

[AndyMalroes]

its their anarchy too.

Why did you need this qualifier? That's also kinda what I meant by my first post or is it my mistake again, sorry if it is.

[Noleaders]

its their anarchy too.

Why did you need this qualifier? That's also kinda what I meant by my first post or is it my mistake again, sorry if it is.

I guess i didnt need it, but it was just my way of saying im not particularly fond of platformist approaches.

[jack]

its their anarchy too.

Why did you need this qualifier? That's also kinda what I meant by my first post or is it my mistake again, sorry if it is.

I guess i didnt need it, but it was just my way of saying im not particularly fond of platformist approaches.

Arrrgh, platformism is a form of anarchist organization, not a specific approach. Almost all anarchist groups that actually do shit are platformist, NEFAC, Zabalaza, WSM etc.

[Noleaders]

Arrrgh, platformism is a form of anarchist organization, not a specific approach.

Ok, then im not particularly fond of platformism as a form of organisation.

Almost all anarchist groups that actually do shit are platformist, NEFAC, Zabalaza, WSM etc.

Awesome