Capitalism *is* compatible with anarchism

[thelastindividual]

Communism is totally unworkable. Its command economy...

a command economy in anarchism?

Communism isn't a command economy, it's a gift economy. It's probably the freeest form of human organisation ever devised.

[jack]

If the AK Press view of anarchism is going to prevail, I'm throwing in the towel on anarchism.

AK Press apprently says "We reject the view that figures like William Godwin (1756–1836), Max Stirner (1806–1856), Proudhon, Benjamin Tucker (1854–1939), and Leo Tolstoy (1828–1910) are part of the broad anarchist tradition."

Communism is totally unworkable. Its command economy has no way to produce thousands of computer parts, the right amount of turnips, jalapeno peppers, and the millions of other things other people want in a logical, efficient, and humane way. So if anarchism is to be synonymous with statist, authoritarian, communism, count me out.

Besides, the actual word an' archism only stands for what I oppose. The word in its orignial sense does not mean Marxism, it means the opposition to authoritarian rules and rulers. It only describes what I am oppposed to; it does not state what I am for, individualism, the freedom of the individual friom government, as Proudhon stated it. So, I am going to reluctantly just stick to an individualist label, and leave the anarchist, anarcho-communist, anarcho-nazi, and all the other anarcho labels for you guys to sort out.

A. Tom Palven, get the fuck off of this board, as well as Anarchist Black Cat, nobody anywhere likes you, appreciates what you have to say, or cares about you as more than a mere annoyance.

B. "Anarchy leads to Communism, and Communism to Anarchy as both are manifestations of man's natural inclination towards equality".- Peter Kropotkin.

C. Anarchism is not abstract, you can't customize it, sorry, maybe you can run for office again you oh-so-anarchist manly man.

[Tiecuando]

I don't look forward to a communist, socialist, or syndicalist future.

[jack]

I don't look forward to a communist, socialist, or syndicalist future.

Then you're not an anarchist.

[Tiecuando]

I don't look forward to a communist, socialist, or syndicalist future.

Then you're not an anarchist.

Take along walk off a short pier.

[jack]

I don't look forward to a communist, socialist, or syndicalist future.

Then you're not an anarchist.

Take along walk off a short pier.

Expert comeback, next time use better grammar and I might be offended by an insult I haven't heard in more than 10 years, because it's that fucking stupid.

So, jamboree, any other zingers that could possible justify your primitive, childish beleifs as being a part os a socialist movement?

[Tiecuando]

Never claimed I was part of a socialist movement.

[jack]

Never claimed I was part of a socialist movement.

You claim you're an anarchist, the anarchist movement is a socialist movement, coming out of the IWMA, not some vague philisophical concept.

[Tiecuando]

Never claimed I was part of a socialist movement.

You claim you're an anarchist, the anarchist movement is a socialist movement, coming out of the IWMA, not some vague philisophical concept.

1. I hate the state, and being dominated/controlled in general. Ergo, I am an anarchist.

2. You do not need to be part of a movement to be an anarchist.

3. Socialists advocate state control over the means of production, there's now way...

[jack]

1. I hate the state, and being dominated/controlled in general. Ergo, I am an anarchist.

Not really, plenty of people have just "hated the state'. Wagner did, didn't stop him from being a vicious anti-semite. Thomas Jefferson railed against the state, didn't stop him from owning slaves. Someone on this forum (who, I can't remember) shared a story of a vicious racist claiming he was an anarchist because he "hated the state for making his kids go to school with niggers". Merely whining about the state doesn't make you an anarchist.

2. You do not need to be part of a movement to be an anarchist.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you can be completely fucking worthless. Good show.

3. Socialists advocate state control over the means of production, there's now way...[/quote]

Really? Find me an actual quote by a Socialist theorist that says that.

[Tiecuando]

1. I said against being dominated and controlled in general in addition to hating the state, don't leave stuff out like that. You're wrong.

2. Go fuck yourself, dick.

3. It's on wikipedia, so there is consensus on this.

[jack]

1. I said against being dominated and controlled in general in addition to hating the state, don't leave stuff out like that. You're wrong.

Okay, and I'm pretty sure that racists feel they're being repressed or diminated by the peoples they hate. Which is why, if left open to the individual interpretation which you advocate, you'd have to accept racists as anarchists. But those were just examples, your ideas are bullshit and you have no justification for them.

2. Go fuck yourself, dick.

Fucking fantastic comeback! What's next, you're going to call me a cunt if I say another thing you can't get through your head? Lets face it, you're nothing more than an annoyance and it's all you'll ever be.

3. It's on wikipedia, so there is consensus on this.

Oh shit. I never knew that Wikipedia was a socialist theorist, and by telling me something exists on Wikipedia, it counts as a direct quote.

Also, from the Wiki page on Philisophical Anarchism:

"Philosophical anarchists of historical note include Mohandas Gandhi, William Godwin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Herbert Spencer, Max Stirner and Henry David Thoreau[4] Benjamin Tucker,[5] and Henry David Thoreau.[6]"

So, there's consensus that there's 2 Henry David Thoreaus.

[Tiecuando]

This is bullshit, dude. You can be an anarchist without "looking forward to a communist, socialist, or syndicalist future". Quit being a stubborn asshole and picking fights with people.

[jack]

This is bullshit, dude. You can be an anarchist without "looking forward to a communist, socialist, or syndicalist future". Quit being a stubborn asshole and picking fights with people.

You can't refute what I've said or prove what you've said, so your "arguement" is going to be UR AN ASSHOLE?

[Tiecuando]

I can refute it, but you would keep on going. Look buddy, I prefer NO dogma, and you're full of it!