bush's no-fly list plus obama's gun control

[ambi]

two things that go great together

[|Y|]

What.the.fuck. This was 2007 are they actually going through with it???

[Crustanarchy]

And of course the whole of the no-fly list is "suspected terrorists" correct?

[|Y|]

As far as I understand there are two lists, "acceptable but scrutinied" and "no fly, period." The latter list is supposedly only a few thousand people, the former includes people like me (always pulled aside and checked so I don't know for sure, but it's too coincidential to just be random), and quite a few other people who have or continue to identify with anti-government ideologies.

The question then remains which list they're attempting to remove gun rights of. The former list is potentially in the millions, it would be epic. The latter list is mostly people who don't even live in the country.

Thus Rahms comment is pretty much like all other politicians, completely and utterly stupid intended to invoke and incite fear and awe in his protectionist genius.

[ambi]

it's had anti-war activists, green party types, even elected officials...

[Doveuprising]

As far as I understand there are two lists, "acceptable but scrutinied" and "no fly, period." The latter list is supposedly only a few thousand people, the former includes people like me (always pulled aside and checked so I don't know for sure, but it's too coincidential to just be random)

I feel your pain. I worked for Greenpeace, US PIRG, and some other groups of interest from 1999-2002. Since 2001, every time I have flown, I have been singled out, pulled aside, and thouroughly searched. And I mean, every time, every flight, every connection. It's to the point now that I am so used to this happening that I expect it.

But back to the original topic, the "no-fly/person of interest" list is anonymous, meaning there is no way to actually find out if you are on this list or not. So, if they don't allow anyone on this list to purchase a handgun, then wouldn't those people then know that they are on the list. Either way, I'm gonna go buy a shitload of guns.

[ambi]

oh, we'll be happy to take you off the list... just prove that you aren't a terrorist!

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/0 ... roves.html

House Approves Whitelist of People Who Aren't Terrorists
(bold emphasis added)

The House overwhelmingly adopted legislation this week mandating the creation of a new kind of terrorist watchlist: a database of people who aren't terrorists, but are routinely flagged at airports anyway.

The U.S. government maintains a list of about a million names of suspected terrorists that is crosschecked with passenger names ahead of airline boarding. The list has been dogged for years by sloppy name matches that have ensnared innocent travelers, children, prominent politicians and government officials, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' secretary of education and all men named David Nelson.

Under the new plan, approved late Tuesday 413-3, innocent victims of the terrorist watchlist must prove to the Department of Homeland Security, through an undetermined appeals process, that they are not terrorists. They would then get their names put on what the legislation calls the "Comprehensive Cleared List."

The legislation is another attempt to assist wrongly flagged passengers and would supersede the troubled DHS Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, which has been criticized for being slow or unresponsive to flier complaints.

The FAST Redress Act, if approved by the Senate, requires the government to report within 240 days on its progress in implementing the new list.

[frankeymarion]

What is the law with keeping a gun on-board for protection in International Waters? I am in Ireland which has very strict gun laws that permit a limited gun licenses only for sport, not for personal protection. I have a Class A ocean vessel that makes regular trips through international waters some of which are notorious for piracy and I'm seriously considering getting something adequate enough to protect the boat and its 16 crew should the situation ever arise. Are the maritime laws different to that of the country of a registered vessel?
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market samurai ~ marketsamurai ~ marketsamurai.com

[Zazaban]

Cat Stevens is on the no fly list, you know.

[Guest]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2401

H.R. 2401: No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009

[snowflake]

these scumfucks will use any excuse they can to take guns away from the people. i don't know why anybody would ever fly again, ever. i know i sure as hell won't. i've only flown twice since 9/11, and it was for work and i would have basically gotten fired if i had refused, plus it was a 1hr flight there and back (so really more like 1 time). i wasn't that radical back then though but if i had to fly for my job now i would rather quit. i can see how some people can put up with the security, since they think its helping keep them safe from terrorists, but for people like me, since we know 9/11 was an inside job and all these heightened security measures are just there for control, i don't see how we can bring ourselves to get endure and thus tacitly accept that shit. we should all boycott the airlines in protest. i mean, if you have to fly somewhere, i can understand that, but otherwise i can't see how people can tolerate that shit, especially if its just for a vacation or a visit or something inconsequential like that.

that aside, this is another great reason for everybody to buy as many guns and as much ammo as possible NOW

[Infinite]

What is the law with keeping a gun on-board for protection in International Waters? I am in Ireland which has very strict gun laws that permit a limited gun licenses only for sport, not for personal protection. I have a Class A ocean vessel that makes regular trips through international waters some of which are notorious for piracy and I'm seriously considering getting something adequate enough to protect the boat and its 16 crew should the situation ever arise. Are the maritime laws different to that of the country of a registered vessel?
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market samurai ~ marketsamurai ~ marketsamurai.com

That's pretty messed up that they specify you are not allowed to protect yourself. I bet Chomsky would like it though.