Antisemitism in anarchism?

[Z-14]

I can't help but notice that there seems to be a strain of anti-semitism in anarchism. Morpheus has a news section full of criticisms of Israel and I see the same thing a lot in Infoshop. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I can't help but wonder if there is something sinister going on.

[Poop]

I can't help but notice that there seems to be a strain of anti-semitism in anarchism. Morpheus has a news section full of criticisms of Israel and I see the same thing a lot in Infoshop. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I can't help but wonder if there is something sinister going on.

All criticism of Israel is based on anti-semitism, of course. Just look at these raging anti-semites.

Some of the early anarchists were very openly, virulently anti-semitic, perhaps most notably, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. However, most anarchists reject anti-semitism, and in fact a lot of notable anarchists have been Jews, including Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, Noam Chomsky (if you wanna call his an anarchist). Also, in the U.S., anarchism was especially strong among Jewish immigrants at the turn of the last century. In fact, I've read somewhere that there were more Hebrew and Yiddish language anarchist periodicals in the U.S. than there were English ones, though I don't recall where I read this...

[Guest]

Anarchists are never going to be behind a movement like zionism, based on relegious identity. So its unlikely you find any anarchists saying what a great idea Israel has proved to be.

The problem with guys like Morpheus, is that while he may label himself an anarchist, he will only go after politically correct enemies. For instance, he won't fill his site with criticisms of North Korea or Iran, states that must be considered abhorent to ANY anarchist. Some anarchists are only bothered about criticising states that are friendly to America.

[collectiveindividualist]

israel is the single biggest anti-semetic institution in the world.

the core ideology is zionism - which the whole world decided is actually racism.

it is run by ashkenazim jews who DO NOT have ancestors from that region.

the ashkenazim have committed genocide against sephardic jews - including exposing 100,000 sephardic children to radiation experiements. they have also committed genocide against the palestinians (who happen to be muslim, christian, AND JEWISH). palestinians are semites, by the way. so are sephardic jews.

the pattern with Z-14 continues. he does not bother to educate himself, and then repeats the lies that he has been told here in this forum. unlikely that this is accidental, as it's well known that shills are paid to troll boards like these.

if you talk only of the shoah and not the nakba then you are willfully ignorant, and a racist to boot.

[Z-14]

See, that's what I mean. You're engaging in racism against a group of Jews, at least. That is the anti-semitism I'm criticizing. It isn't standard anti-semitism, but it is a form of it none the less.

[Guest]

See, that's what I mean. You're engaging in racism against a group of Jews, at least. That is the anti-semitism I'm criticizing. It isn't standard anti-semitism, but it is a form of it none the less.

Disagreeing with Israel's politics, just because it happens to be a state like any other state, which anarchists oppose, does not make anarchists anti-Semites.

[Z-14]

Disagreeing with Israel's politics, just because it happens to be a state like any other state, which anarchists oppose, does not make anarchists anti-Semites.

True, but I see so much criticism of Israel in comparison to many other nations. I can see anarchists bashing the Ashkenazim Jews (who must be the ones that run the world banking system or whatever) which strikes me as anti-semitic.

[collectiveindividualist]

See, that's what I mean. You're engaging in racism against a group of Jews, at least. That is the anti-semitism I'm criticizing. It isn't standard anti-semitism, but it is a form of it none the less.

ahem. ashkenazim are NOT semites.

again, you should learn what words mean before you come here to "debate" people.

[Blomacovidoxian]

Disagreeing with Israel's politics, just because it happens to be a state like any other state, which anarchists oppose, does not make anarchists anti-Semites.

True, but I see so much criticism of Israel in comparison to many other nations. I can see anarchists bashing the Ashkenazim Jews (who must be the ones that run the world banking system or whatever) which strikes me as anti-semitic.

I've never seen that with regard to Ashkenazim Jewish people. Just because collectiveindividualist says so, does not make it representative of anarchists as a whole. To be honest, I've never really seen modern anarchist criticisms of Zionism that didn't focus entirely on the statehood aspect. Anarchists are opposed to both Palestinian and Jewish states.

Anarchists don't criticize Israel any more than they do the United States, Great Britain, or any other prominent state. Most of the criticism of Israel is, in fact, indirectly made through criticism of U.S. policy.

Furthermore, I happen to know a few Jewish anarchist, in both the religious and ethnic sense.

There was a time, in the early 20th and late 19th centuries, when quite a few anarchists were anti-Semitic. Then again, so were most people, anarchist or not.

The fact is that there is nothing about anarchism as a philosophy that makes it anti-Semitic. Of course, you've never seemed interested in actually discussing the merits of anarchism as a philosophy.

[Guest]

Some anarchists will simply criticise any country that is friendly with the U.S. Its a no-brainer for them I guess. However, I don't see a difference between states that are or are not sucking up to the U.S.

[Din]

Some anarchists will simply criticise any country that is friendly with the U.S. Its a no-brainer for them I guess. However, I don't see a difference between states that are or are not sucking up to the U.S.

You don't?!?! I thought it was obvious that the difference between states that are sucking up to the US and states that are not sucking up to the US is that one group is sucking up to the US and the other group isn't.

What a no-brainer!

I'm responding to trolls again!
Oh dear, I must be ill.
Whatever is wrong with me?
Silly, silly me

[|Y|]

Hahaha, I think Din likes the small font size.

[Din]

Hahaha, I think Din likes the small font size.

NO, I DO NOT!

Go away, troll!

[Guest]

Excuse me, but here we have an anarchist who thinks some states are better than others just because they don't suck up to America. Are you anti-statist or just anti-american?

[Blomacovidoxian]

Excuse me, but here we have an anarchist who thinks some states are better than others just because they don't suck up to America. Are you anti-statist or just anti-american?

Some states are better than others. So?