Gonzo Joker wrote:What really amuses me is that no matter how much women like Kropkitty and skullcap despise the fact that many women enjoy using their sexual charms to get attention from men, the numer of young women doing this seems to be increasing, not decreasing.
speaking for myself only i never said i despise "the fact" of women using their sexuality to get to men. i think it is stupid, but that is my experience, i don't see this tactic as viable. but as i said, this is my bias, i know women for whom it "works". but then they are stuck having to look pretty all their lives, and they are stuck with boorish men, who only care if they are pretty, and when the pretty fades, they are doubly stuck.
Gonzo Joker wrote:The fact remains, most women either enjoy having their bodies admired and lusted after, or are jealous of the women who are having their bodies admired and lusted after.
since this is a compound statement, you are quite wrong. there are lots of women who are neither of these. i thnk most people want to be thought of as nice looking, but i would not say that is the same as wanting rude comments tossed one's way, or having idiots leering at one's chest.
Gonzo Joker wrote:There is nothing sexist or homophobic about this observation - I love women,
this is a sexist statement. you do not know "women". you know some women, and those you may love, who cares. but to say you love "women" as a class of being, that is just a fantasy on your part, and sexist to boot.
all individual women are different, and your statement makes it clear you only care about the form, not the content, and that is sexist.
Gonzo wrote:and think that all people have the right to pursue whatever sexuality is natural and fulfilling to them.
and no one here is saying anything different.
Gonzo wrote:What I have a problem with is when so-called anarchists (who are really closet fascists) tell me that I must avert my eyes from some hot girl bouncing down the sidewalk in a low-cut stretch top.
i never said anything like this, and you are aware of this. look all you want, admire all you want. what i am saying is this; don't imput to all women that they like having men stare at their chests.
Gonzo wrote:Anything put on display in a public space is fair game for ogling. If you don't like it, that is just too bad - try spending your time working for less oppression, instead of oppressing others, and you may find that more anarchists enjoy having you around.
it seems to me that most women, implants or no, would object to the idea that anytime they went in public their chest was "on display". of course, assholes are going to ogle others in public, that is par for the course, yet even people who want to be admired for their beauty have off days, times when they just want a quart of mile from the corner store. some who like being admired in a club or in the bedroom, don't care for the same attention from some stranger on the street.
women have been using the leverage of their sex over men since there has been men and women, this is not in dispute. when you are forced into a subordinate position you do what it takes to get by. some women use this technique, some women are jealous of other women using that technique, and some women don't care either way. this ebbs and flows with time and history as to which mode is in ascendency.
of course this whole conversation leaves out all talk of differently gendered folk, FTM, MTF, intesexed, etc. you just never know, that hot chick with the lovely tits may just have a cock bigger than yours.