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Im kind of a nervous person
patrickhenry wrote:You may want to take a xanax before talking with jack
"To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
patrickhenry wrote:Hey Kris, Tom is a capitalist. Everything he quoted from Proudhon only applies to government not capitalist employers. Please don't read Rothbard . This was a man who support Pat Buchanan I recommend reading Rudolf Rocker Anarcho-Syndicalism.
I'm not a capitlaist, Patrick- don't own any stock or bonds,
patrickhenry wrote:your not capitalistic tom? do you support wage slavery? do you support private property (i.e. land ownership)? do you support landlordship or rent? if you said yea to one of these your probably a capitalist.
Tom Palven wrote:patrickhenry wrote:your not capitalistic tom? do you support wage slavery? do you support private property (i.e. land ownership)? do you support landlordship or rent? if you said yea to one of these your probably a capitalist.
I don't know if I "support" those things, but I'm not opposed to them. If a person wants to work for a share of the potato crop as wages, or for some other medium of exchange like money, what differece does it make to me?
Private property is sometimes hard to justify, especially in Central America where large land holdings that were originally king's grants might make peasants out of the landless, but even Proudhon, who is widely quoted as saying "Property is theft" was apparently somewhat vague on private property. That translation is confusing, too, like the lousy translation of Stirner's book title The Ego and It's Own which doesn't make much sense.
I'll ask you a question I want to ask guest- Guest claims that true, honest to goodness communism has never been tried. Well, when we look at the 16 countries that were part of the USSR, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and we look at the various collectivist countries in Europe, Scandinavia, Africa, South America, and in Asia, including China, can't we say that just about every conceivable form of collectivism has been tried, including every form of anarcho-socialsim?
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