Jared Lee Loughner

[Seer Travis Truman]

This thread is to discuss Jared Lee Loughner and the development of conscious dreaming.

Conscious dreaming is a Truth-based and very useful and legitimate skill to possess and develop. I am a proud practitioner of conscious dreaming. The value of these techniques is a powerful addition to developing Mental Armour against societal attacks.

Did conscious dreaming make Jared carry out his glorious attack on society? No, it did not. Jared was a created victim of his utterly insane and malevolent american society. I salute not only Jared's chosen actions, his ability to recognize Truths regarding word-meaning based societal brainwashing but his commitment to developing Superior Mental Armour.

http://www.Truthmedia.8k.com/JaredLeeLoughner.html - Jared.
http://www.Truthmedia.8k.com/moral.html - Part discusses Mental Armour and benefits of Superior life-choices.
http://www.Truthmedia.8k.com/dictionary.html - Discusses word-based societal brainwashing.


Take the word 'victim'. Society tries to control and manipulate the meaning and use of this word. Jared is a victim. Yet society refuses to label him a victim, even insisting that you may not publicly refer to Jared as a victim. Why is that? Because society is desperate to hide the Truth that it is responsible and bears the guilt for creating victim Jared.

Conversely, society is keen to label certain targets of Jared's act of Truth-based personal justice as "victims". Are these individuals victims? Yes! They are victims of society. But this is not at all what society means by "victim". Society uses the term "victim" in another and dishonest way. It applies the victim label only to suggest that they suffered harm from Jared, and to generate sympathy for the sole purpose of using it to generate hatred for Jared so that Jared is dismissed and rational though about his case ceases in favor of emotion. It does not mention that society is also guilty for their past victimization as well as this new victimization that occurred as a result of the actions of Jared.

[Guest]

First of all, only successful alleged assassins get to use the 3-name moniker, unless their first and last names are the same. Thus, John WIlkes Booth, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan. Lougher gets stuck with John Hinkley as a "failure."

Seondly, it's plainly obvious that Laughner was a victim of (not a survivor of) an MK-ULTRA-like mind control program.

And that affiliation is also apparent with the OP.

Interestingly, most such people think of themselves as the controller - Laughner certainly did. The repition and the if-then loops he went through over and over are also very indicitive.

Next comes your condescending response, which only re-enforces the possibility.

[Seer Travis Truman]

First of all, only successful alleged assassins get to use the 3-name moniker, unless their first and last names are the same. Thus, John WIlkes Booth, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan. Lougher gets stuck with John Hinkley as a "failure."

Wrong! The idea that to use Jared's middle name needs some kind of authoritarian or official category is so immature and ridiculous that I will give no further comment to that.

Wrong!! Jared is no failure! How did he fail? He vented his rage against society as he planned. It about HIM and what HE IS, not if he killed a certain person or not.

Seondly, it's plainly obvious that Laughner was a victim of (not a survivor of) an MK-ULTRA-like mind control program.

Garbage. Firstly, survivour is a lie-based term used by societies to deny the individual allocating victim-hood status to themselves.

Secondly, your attempts to blame things on government MK-Ultra is pathetic, and probably based on a deep need to deny that society in general is guilty for having created Jared via relentless societal attacks including assaults, lies, myths legal attempts at the destruction of self-love and sanity etc.

And that affiliation is also apparent with the OP.

You are an idiot. Pure and simple. I dont even live in america, you clown. I dont have anything to do with MKUltra.

Interestingly, most such people think of themselves as the controller - Laughner certainly did. The repition and the if-then loops he went through over and over are also very indicitive.

Indictive of what exactly? A conspiracy (lol).

Maybe the pattern is because of logic and deduction...you know...those things have a fixed structure and all.

Next comes your condescending response, which only re-enforces the possibility.

What possibility? You get such a response because you are an idiot.

[Guest]

Your tone and response simply fulfills my prediction. There's also the possibility of a Delphi connection, kind of like the "assassination politics" guy that used to come around all the forums who they finally nabbed in Australia. Anyone who has been involved for more than an eyeblink has seen it come and go a thousand times already.

The activities of MK-ULTRA (and the many, many similar projects) were not limited to Americans, nor to those on U.S. soil. In any case, the subject would be the last person to know if they had or had not been subjected to this kind of conditioning, since the subject is given the illusion that they are the controller - which makes it all the easier to follow the orders one is given.

Look at the sensitivity portrayed to victimhood or survivorhood - a contrast to the claim of individually-targeted persecution by "society." Another classic control meme used to satisfy motive and justification. Note the invocation of "deductive" reasoning - the same if/then,if/then,if/then that is drilled into the subject as part of their condition - again, to satisfy the basic controls which govern the actions of the subject. It's no different than picking a lock or hacking a computer, once all of the conditions are satisfied, the desired actions can take place. Note the inability to discern any humor whatsoever ('all the assassins with good aim get to have three names') as subjects 'loops through' their programming.

[Superdog]

Wow, I haven't been here in a while and the place got taken over by crazies. Loughner is obviously a lunatic, probably has a mental illness.

[Seer Travis Truman]

Wow, I haven't been here in a while and the place got taken over by crazies. Loughner is obviously a lunatic, probably has a mental illness.

Page now updated! - http://www.Truthmedia.8k.com/JaredLeeLoughner.html


Ad Hominen is not a valid argument, son.

There is no sane reason to suggest that Jared would have a mental illness based on what we thus far know.

There is no evidence that suggest that. You are just labeling Jared mentally ill in order to dismiss what he represents.

[Superdog]

Wow, I haven't been here in a while and the place got taken over by crazies. Loughner is obviously a lunatic, probably has a mental illness.

Page now updated! - http://www.Truthmedia.8k.com/JaredLeeLoughner.html


Ad Hominen is not a valid argument, son.

There is no sane reason to suggest that Jared would have a mental illness based on what we thus far know.

There is no evidence that suggest that. You are just labeling Jared mentally ill in order to dismiss what he represents.

Dismiss what he represents? He represents crazy people who shoot the innocent and should be punished severely for it.

[Seer Travis Truman]

Dismiss what he represents? He represents crazy people who shoot the innocent and should be punished severely for it.

This is incorrect. His actions represents Truth. They reveal Truth.

Victim Jared deserves compensation for his criminal acts because they prove to any non-brainwashed thinker that he is the created-victim of his society.

There was nothing innocent about citizen-slaves.

[Superdog]

Even 6 year old girls? wtf is wrong with you

[Seer Travis Truman]

Even 6 year old girls? wtf is wrong with you

There is nothing wrong with Me. I reveal Truth, and the fact of the matter is that society has made the Truth "ugly" to those who have not embraced it.

Society murders children 6 and under every day as a part of it's core operational systems. War, Abortion, sponsorship of family unit violence, destruction of sanity and Self-Love resulting is Self-Murder.


Jared was once 6 years old. Was he shown mercy from society? No!

Jared harvested this 6 year old girl in his attack. She made a good target for him. Can't you see the reflective nature of murdering children?

[Isaac.]

wow..... I thought this guy was a spammer in his earlier posts..... but nope, just crazy.

[Guest]

Ad Hominen is not a valid argument, son.

You are an idiot. Pure and simple.

...you are an idiot.

As you can see, this troll is not worth the time. It's a typical well-poisoning. Too bad this forum had to suffer with less obvious examples of this crap for years and years.

When someone comes around calling people idiots and then wants to sling around "Ad Hominen is not a valid argument" (ad hominem is a logical fallacy, not an argument). or if they want to tell us about the joys of murdering children, it is intensely obvious what is going on.

Debating with such a person sincerely is not only a waste of time, it's exactly what this person wants you to do. Whetehr they are a paid shill or just your garden variety troll makes no difference.

[Seer Travis Truman]

As you can see, this troll is not worth the time. It's a typical well-poisoning. Too bad this forum had to suffer with less obvious examples of this crap for years and years.

You are the ones who cannot reason and debate. You are the ones posting total drivel. You are the ones who argue via insult.

When someone comes around calling people idiots

His argument was the work of an idiot. I explained why he was wrong, and called him an idiot. I did not say he was wrong because he was an idiot. Thus, not Ad Hominem.

and then wants to sling around "Ad Hominen is not a valid argument" (ad hominem is a logical fallacy, not an argument).

See why I call you fools idiots? When he makes his ARGUMENT it CONTAINS the fallacy. Thus it is an fallacious argument. This it is an argument. Got that now ??

or if they want to tell us about the joys of murdering children, it is intensely obvious what is going on.

I never used that term "joys". I was just explaining from a logical and practical standpoint of psychoanalysis.

Debating with such a person sincerely is not only a waste of time

It is a waste of your time, inferior, because you cannot handle Truth.